Question : Inducing nepenthes to produce basal shoots
 

Hi everyone

Well sorry if i have been recently opening to many threads....This is probally because i pratically have nothing to do except sit in front of the computer and surf the net and when i surf the net it means PET PITCHER!!!!!.....

Okays seriously am i opening to many threads???:blush:

Well now the questions

I have heard of many ways to induce the nepenthes to produce basal shoots like tilting the nep or stuff like that.If i would to have a nep which i can see the lower part of the nep which is where basals emerge from.....If that was above the pot and i add in some LFS and cover it up will it produce basals?????

2nd one is about seedlings

Ummm just a little pintless questions.....When do seedlings or planlets start producing they're own roots??????And normally about how big are they when they do.

3rd

Same as the 2nd only thing different is that when do "basals" produce they're own roots and stop relying on they're mother plant.

Ken

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okay. from my experience, when my miranda or ampullaria or gracilis grow extremely extremely long and the main shoot is hanging, a lot of basals will appear.

its okay asking questions. you learn by asking questions. even in class. :2thumbup:

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Hi Malowie

Well i asked it because I can see the yellowish bottom of my miranda (where the basals appear) I put just a little LFS to cover it up a little hoping that basals actually appear....My miranda is nowhere near tall its around 22cm which is around 8.5"

Ken

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Basals emerge becos the axillary nodes down there no longer are affected by apical dominance. The apical point produces the plant hormone, auxin, that travels downwards and suppress axillary shoots frm growing if their concentration is sufficiently high. As the plant groes too tall, not enough auxin reaches the nodes down there, hence they grow out. Bending the plant also prevents auxin from reaching the lower nodes (though the effectiveness of this method depends on many factors), hence the emergence of basal. The surest way to produce basals is to kill apical dominance, whether by looping off the apical point or bending the vine to prevent translocation of auxin to the lower nodes.

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wow, poweramps, you power la... :laugh: That's what I studied in my 2nd yr plant physiology class but already return most of it to my prof... :blush::blush:

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Wow poweramps like CPnut said you POWER la...hhahaha.............Talk about detail.....So i guess just by covering over the "apical point" it doesn't produce new basals...

Ken

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Nolah, where got power, lol. It is one of those funny stuff that we learn in uni and usually have nothing to do with our lives until we decide to grow nepenthes, lol. Luckily didn't mention cytokinins as well, lol

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Yup, covering the apical point or the axillary shoots won't do any good. Ampullaria vine potted at an angle and the vine allowed to bend over the pot gives a lot of basals. That is an old trick that make use of plant physiology. So we gotta thank the profs in uni for teaching us the fact but not relating a real life example to us, thus making our learning experience boring, lol.

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Haha... very true. I'm a biochemist grad but now in trading for surveillance products... go figure... :laugh:

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Awww....i guess i'll just have to wait fo rmy little basal to appear...

Ken

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Aikkk, biochemist grad also, doing more of environmental biology. Used to lecture biology and cell biology.

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Patience... Ken, good things will come to those who wait. :laugh:

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I c... What you do for a living now? I gave it up after 6 years working in lab playing with chemicals, figured proaobly not too healthy in the long run.... :laugh:

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Smart choice. I have inhaled enough beta-mercaptoethanol, methanol, ethanol, PMSF etc to preserve me, lol. Now working on biomaterials for environmental remediation.

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Not to be rude just saying...
Don't basal rooting and seedling rooting hahaha.....Seriously not trying to stop anything so don't get me wrong.

Ken

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well, my miranda was at least 2 feet long hanging in the air haha..

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Haha.. same here, I probably going to stay mummified after somebody dug me up 500 yrs from now :laugh::laugh:.....at least some aromatics smell nice :laugh::laugh:

Sorry arr Ken, accidentally hijacked your thread :blush:

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Hahaha. Yup, sorry for the biochem hijack. Nevermind, we can be growing basals 1000 yrs frm now. Become keong si already.

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Oh gosh.........I just heard from my parents that most probally next year i might be going to UK for 2 WEEKS@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......

Okays what do i do can neps even take 2 weeks without any watering????

I know that David has said to put it under tray and leave it somewhere which is not sunny.....But 2 week@!!!!!!....... And even if i had to do that means i have to spill some pitcher glue out with rotting mulch of dead ants in there (ugalh!)....Anybody has tried this before????

Ken

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i had tried this before on my ampullaria except i put it at sunnier area. next thing i know my amp's new leaves root completly. btw, my amp is still small in size. i think adult plants are more hardy but who knows......=.=

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Ken,

I'm scratching my head here trying to get what you meant. :confused:

Is that a private joke? If it is, it's better to keep that between private messages!

On another note, would you be kind enough to actually go through your postings to check for spelling errors & missing words before hitting the post button. This will help avoid any misunderstanding.


Happy CPing,

~A~

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Hi

Well i guess i missed out the word forget before the word basal rooting hahaha will do that next time sorry if there are incovinience cos..

Ken

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I never had a nepenthes grow a basal shoot. I wish my ampullaria will grow basal soon.

Cheers

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Hi Edward

Your neps will basal soon just give it some time let it grow taller.........Normally my basals appear just as my plant starts to show more gap between each leaves (starting to vine)

Ken

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Mine hasn't vine yet. I am waiting for my hooker and ventrata to do basals. My ventrata had a basal when I bought it, but I ripped it off during transplanting the plant.

Cheers

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My ventrata is made out of basals......It outgrew the main vine so i vut the main vine off for fun lol.......

Ken

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Ken,

There's an edit button at the end of the post, you should be able to make ammendments to the posting.

BTW, punctuation marks would be nice too :)

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Ventrata are crazy and weeds. Mine has produced like 4-5 basals per plant.

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Ken,

Sometimes basal shoots are produced during the change in weather. From what I observe about my own plants, the Neps seems to produce basals at the onset and at the end of the monsoon season.

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i always had this strange idea..... how about growing our neps upside down to induce basals??:laugh:

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I think someone should try and see what happens. Who knows...

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that is an interesting .....and funny thought! how do you avoid all the soil or moss falling all over?

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wrap a mesh around the top of the pot, letting only the plant through...
hope i phrased it correctly:biggrin:

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Hi noobplant

Hmmmm.........Nuts??

Ken

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Hmmmm, you are back, kenneth.

Well, it would sound creative, but you have to defy the laws of gravity....

Cheers

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Yeah agreed................It will spill out probally no matter what...........And yes Ed i'm back from the dead muahaha.........
.
Ken

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or just cut a hole below a pot and pot up the plant upside down.

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Good idea, how will the plant grow basal shoots anyway???

Cheers

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Well that could be possible......And that reminds me of one of my neps which has a basal shoot which has one tiny immature leaf coming out from the drainage holes....Its just one tiny leaf no tendrills immediatly to the pitcher...It looks like those the size of neps which just germinated and gave out its first pitchers.I wonder how in the world that tiny leaf got there...

Ken

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Perhaps you have a nep that grows leafy roots......

Cheers

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I posted something on this last year, can't remember which forum, but you can actually force Nepenthes that are in full active growth to produce basal growth by turning the pot sideways, and elevating it above the apical growth point(s) so that the auxins do not travel downward the stem.
In about a month or two, basal growth should be visible near the base, and the longer woody stem can be removed and re potted, and re-rooted.

I found this out by accident myself years ago when I had a large N. x Dyeriana that became pot bound, and top heavy with large massive pitchers, filling up with water from my automatic misting nozzles. One morning, on my way out to work, I looked in the greenhouse and noticed that it had toppled and fallen over, right out of it's pot, with the stem nearly upside down, tangled and caught in the tubing and other plants; the rootball was up in the air, and near a misting nozzle.

I was rather busy with work at the time, even had a few out-of-town assignments and didn't get to my greenhouse for over 2 weeks. When I finally had the time to repot it, I noticed several large spikes coming from the base like asparagus shoots, even healtier than the long, thin and spindley woody main stem. I removed that woody stem, allowing the new basals to become the main growth points, and got the best plants with the best pitchers that year than I've even seen before.

These days, I often lift up pots, and turn them sideways, and lay the long main stem down below the root ball, and within 2 months, I have a new basal, or two. :1thumbup: - Rich

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O.O

guess it works then... ill try it out with something:laugh: