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ericsow: First Cephalotus
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This image is reduced by 15%, click it to view full size. http://cblog.cari.com.my/attachments...2272359212.jpg Link to Post - Back to Top http://s3.images.proboards.com/ip.gif Logged piscesilim Global Moderator http://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gif member is offline Joined: Dec 2006 Gender: Male http://s3.images.proboards.com/male.gif Posts: 463 Location: Bukit Mertajam, Penang http://s3.images.proboards.com/xx.gifRe: First Cephalotus « Reply #1 on Dec 28, 2007, 1:17am » Don't worry! New shoots are coming out! Just cut off the dried pitcher. « Last Edit: Dec 28, 2007, 1:17am by piscesilim »Link to Post - Back to Top http://s3.images.proboards.com/ip.gif LoggedLim cindy Global Moderator http://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gif member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 412 Location: Singapore http://s3.images.proboards.com/xx.gifRe: First Cephalotus « Reply #2 on Dec 28, 2007, 7:39pm » Eric, They already have offshoots coming out of the rhizomes. So keep them moist, not wet with lots of light and ventilation. Don't throw out the first Ceph yet. http://s3.images.proboards.com/smiley.gif Link to Post - Back to Top http://s3.images.proboards.com/ip.gif Logged ericsow Full Member http://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gif member is offline Joined: May 2007 Posts: 135 Location: Malacca http://s3.images.proboards.com/xx.gifRe: First Cephalotus « Reply #3 on Dec 28, 2007, 9:22pm » http://s3.images.proboards.com/cry.gif http://s3.images.proboards.com/cry.gif http://s3.images.proboards.com/cry.gif The last pitcher was dropped today. Cindy, I was put it on test tube with cover. After see your advise, I will relocate it to other place. Maybe I tumpang it beside my Ping pot. 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Lots of light and ventilation or else mildew will appear...like mine. http://s3.images.proboards.com/rolleyes.gif Link to Post - Back to Top http://s3.images.proboards.com/ip.gif Logged ericsow Full Member http://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gif member is offline Joined: May 2007 Posts: 135 Location: Malacca http://s3.images.proboards.com/xx.gifRe: First Cephalotus « Reply #5 on Jan 16, 2008, 3:27pm » The small rhizome was rotted. The Ceph with leaf stop growing but offshoot appeared. The large rhizome with offshoot.... the offshoots were gone! http://s3.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif http://s3.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif http://s3.images.proboards.com/sad.gif Thinking to throw it back to ziplock bag again. 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Link to Post - Back to Top http://s3.images.proboards.com/ip.gif Loggedlooking for different forms of N. ampullaria, N. rafflesiana and N. xhookeriana. My CP Growlist - updated 27 May '08 ericsow Full Member http://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gif member is offline Joined: May 2007 Posts: 135 Location: Malacca http://s3.images.proboards.com/xx.gifRe: First Cephalotus « Reply #7 on Jan 16, 2008, 5:40pm » Quote:the rhizome rotted? could it be because you kept the media too wet? for cephs, the media should be free-draining and not be standing in water. moist, but not wet media. i would advise against keeping it in the ziplock bag as the rapid/huge change in humidity levels is only making it more difficult for the ceph to adapt. My bad to kill the little rhizome as I keep it at Ping's pot with water tray. The large rhizome moved out from wet peat with water tray and change it to moist peat without water tray. Will water it manual way depend on peat moist level. The middle size Ceph also removed out from water tray. Will drop it back to water tray for few minutes every 2-3days. hongrui, Thank you for you advise. 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My CP Growlist - updated 27 May '08 cindy Global Moderator http://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gif member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 412 Location: Singapore http://s3.images.proboards.com/xx.gifRe: First Cephalotus « Reply #9 on Jan 17, 2008, 8:57pm » Eric, The Cephs can be potted up straight away and left in a cool and bright place with no issue with humidity. In fact, mine are placed immediately under lights since my balcony is pretty dark this time of the year. http://s3.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif Hongrui is right. Keep the media quick draining, like for any highland Nep. Water daily and don't leave any water in the tray. Top watering flushes excess minerals out. Tray watering is a big no-no for growing Cephs because they are very prone to root rot. For this rainy season, I don't water daily but every two days. Link to Post - Back to Top http://s3.images.proboards.com/ip.gif Logged ericsow Full Member http://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/stargreen.gif member is offline Joined: May 2007 Posts: 135 Location: Malacca http://s3.images.proboards.com/xx.gifRe: First Cephalotus « Reply #10 on Apr 14, 2008, 11:57pm » Cindy, http://s3.images.proboards.com/cry.gif my Cephalotus was gone. End of this year I will going to Singapore. Hopefully that time I am ready to take my second cephalotus from you again. Link to Post - Back to Top http://s3.images.proboards.com/ip.gif Logged cindy Global Moderator http://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gifhttp://s3.images.proboards.com/starred.gif member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 412 Location: Singapore http://s3.images.proboards.com/xx.gifRe: First Cephalotus « Reply #11 on Apr 15, 2008, 4:41pm » It's been 4 months since you got your cephs already?! http://s3.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif Gosh, time flies! Eric, all of them are gone? If you are coming over in December, I'll see if I can get some for you during the Singapore Garden Festival...and have them potted up. In that way, they will be hardened by the time you picked them up. I was going through your previous posts and noticed that the media is quite wet. I don't water my cephs everyday, sometimes the top peat layer becomes light brown i.e. very dry. Cephs dislike their crowns to be wet so unless you have them on a mound, otherwise cut back on the watering. It is quite hard to kill a Ceph from underwatering, not unless you are like me who forgot about one pot for 2 weeks. http://s3.images.proboards.com/cry.gif |
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My old Cephalotus had gone to no way.
Below is my new Cephalotus which now potted with Peat Moss and Perlite 1:1 and installed "WaterMe" auto watering production from Ace Hardware to keep the medium moist but not wet. http://cblog.cari.com.my/attachments...0161525451.jpg |
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Wow! You bought auto watering system just for your cephs. Can see this is yoru prize possesion. Hope the new ceph thrive for you
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Some pitchers inside the clump was turning to yellow. Didn't really know it is nature leaf retired or others else. So I re potted it and put in the auto watering tool.
The tool was tested, it can keep most medium in moist. (Monitored for a week) Tested by using tissue paper put on the medium but didn't get wet. Hopefully this is correct environment for the Cephalotus. |
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Shiao.... My Cephalotus leaf and pitchers become soft... look like dehydration. Is it normal? Because I didn't touch the plant at all even potting.
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Hi Eric,
I guess in the first place u shouldn't have repotted the ceph as i am having the same problem with one of the three pots which i bought. It was repotted and everything went flop, now it's under ICU, cover with holes for ventilation and placing it in somewhere bright. Hoprfully it will turn out well. As for the other two pots, they are as beautiful since the initial pickup and they have been growing. |
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After two days check, I lost half of the pitchers. Others going fine as Cindy said, they like water.
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Cephs like to have water flowing through their media. Top watering is best carried out everyday and allow the water to drain out completely. That is the only method that works so far for me. Although overseas growers have the pots sitting in water, their temperature is cooler than us year round or at least they have the day/night temperature difference.
Pitchers going soft is a sure sign of rot or root mealies. But sometimes the plant does it to send out out new growth. Very odd but there have been times when I think a plant is dying with all the limp growth above the media...but when I check the rhizome, a new shoot is emerging from deeper down the pot. Maybe this is what is known as the famous 'die back'. Interestingly, this new growth is usually stronger and carries larger leaves and pitchers. |
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Another Cephalotus I get today.
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Nice big pitchers Eric. :)
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I wish I had one. Its so cute
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Hi Eric
Nice ceph you got there they look so tiny and cute but well i don't feel like growing that hehehe too sensitive of a CP for me.I heard they like a lot of sun but temps around 25-29 during the day and nights below or around 21... Ken |
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I think the trick is to acclimatise the plants. Cindy from Singapore has been growing ceph for a long time with great success. I also have two pots now in my terrarium that has been with me about 6 months and 2 months. Temperature during the day is always above 29 degrees. A few other members like Jonathan and TS are also growing ceph and they grow them in their garden. |
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RM what?? I will go there next week. And to Fauzi's nursery too!!
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Just to ask, are you leave the plant in clump or separate them to each pot? My Cephalotus came out a lot spoon leaf and pitchers grow in pact mode. My early pot after repot it and gone with the wind. A bit scare to repot them again.
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Eric,
The golden rule to Cephalotus is: Never fix what is not broken. If it is growing well, please leave it at the same place in the same pot. Any root disturbance will cause some of the foliage to turn yellow and shrivel up, however minimal. So if you are thinking of splitting your clump, then be prepared to lose a good number of leaves and pitchers. |
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Ok, Cindy, now I know why my cephalotus lost quite a lot of pitchers when I transplanted it! Thanks!
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Well my ceph didn't lose any pitchers from transplanting but its so slow growing. Slower than my rajah. The new leaves are a little yellowish . Is that normal or is it underwatered, overwatered, etc?
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Plantlover,
If they are just a little yellow, perhaps it is just from the transplanting. New leaves being yellowish could be root mealies or root rot. You better hope it is neither. Edward, After repotting all the open pitchers should be topped up with water. The roots of Cephs are very fragile and once they are mis-aligned, they snap into pieces. When that happens, the plant will react by absorbing water back from the older leaves or pitchers. What we see then is the yellowing. |
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Ok, thanks Cindy! Now my ceph is stabalizing, the pitchers aren't that yellow any more and no more horrific losses of pitchers anymore.
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Hmmmm I wonder why my ceph.......(Do i have one) starts disspaearing from my sight diminishing slowly and slowly.....
Ken |
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Since when did you have a cephalotus, kenneth?
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Yeah i had an imaginary one.....:p and somehow nowadays it likes to disspaear from my sight.
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Let see how crowded them were... http://cblog.cari.com.my/attachments...2211042381.jpg and a lot of spoon leaf.... http://cblog.cari.com.my/attachments...2211042382.jpg |
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Eric, that is not crowded. This is crowded. The pot is totally covered!
http://www.triffidpark.com.au/htm_pa...cephalotus.jpg Were the leaves produced in your care or it came with the plant? Now for the golden tip...after the golden rule... If you really cannot resist the need to thin out your plant, why not take leaf pullings instead of dividing the plant? First, it wouldn't hurt the mother plant much. Second, there are at least a good 5-7 leaves which you can remove to give you many new plants! ;) |
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Cindy,
I just bought the plant last month, guest the leaf should be produced when it came. The spoon leaf is growing wild and covered most of pitchers. Will take noted on your tips. I will try it when I feel the plant is stabilize. |
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Just check with advisor, some new leaf or new pitcher having a layer of white power stick on it. It is normal or is it fungus?
Every morning I pick it up from ice box (my cool tank) to my lighting rack. At night, I put it back to ice box once the light off. Could it be fungus? |
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Eric, does the white powder look like in the following pic? If it does, then it is mildew. It happens when the plant is not getting enough air circulation and light. Be careful 'cos once it spread, you'll lose all the leaves very quickly.
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The whole discussion on mildew can be found here:
http://www.greenculturesg.com/forum/...pic=10251&st=0 |
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Hi Cindy,
Yes, that is mildew. My previous complaint about too many spoon leaf. Actually I discovered the mildew appeared on new leaf/pitcher been covered light by spoon leaf. Anyway, I has do inspection everyday. If found the mildew, will use cotton with alcohol to wipe it off. Hope the cephalotus didn't get drunk. LOL |
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Hahaha. Why don't you pour wine inside the pitchers so it will get drunk. BTW my cephs not growing mildew but instead the new leaves are not as green the old ones. Its more yellowish.
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I suggested to malowie that you guys check with YG how they are growing the Cephs. From what I know, the plants are all grown in peat and then potted in LFS to be sold. That media is way too soggy for our growing conditions.
Unless the whole pot is constantly kept cool (20-25C), the plants are going to be very prone to all sorts of problems. There is also a very high chance of root rot. Mildew is best treated using systemic fungicide. I used alcohol but it kept spreading to new leaves. Yellowing leaves mean trouble at the roots. Either is root rot or there is mealybugs at the root. |
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Am I keeping them too wet?
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Today just re pot my cephalotus since you having stressed and I found this....
http://cblog.cari.com.my/attachments...1082240321.jpg Is it a ??? http://cblog.cari.com.my/attachments...1082240322.jpg |
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Seems like a new offshoot, Eric. :smile:
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While I was pulling some dead pitchers out I accidentally pulled out 2 babies with tiny root systems. oh no!!!
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