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Thank for sharing and hope see it soon.

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Daer cbkhoon, allenphoon, Sorry. :shy:

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Dear kit1212,

Yes. The market price for viking was very different and some was very high. I'm waiting and use more than 6 months to collect my N.viking.*biggrin2*

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N. mirabilis var. globosa : Plant 3

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1276309137

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1276309137

The pitchers' size for Plant 2 and Plant 3 was same
But the different was at the lip : Plant 2 was white and Plant 3 was red.

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Price for globosa is dependent on the form, the more "rounded", the higher the value. That's because such form is not common.

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mine.....slow growth cos hot season is here.....

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/DSC01219.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/DSC01218.jpg

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Meaning my Plant 1 have more value if compair to plant 2 and plant 3?:shy:

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Do the lip in green color?:shy:

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My N. bicalcarata

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1276786414

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1276786414

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If the pitcher looks like this... then it's very high valued... *biggrin2*

This is the globosa "kapook" form from K. Wanakorn... :wub: ( I don't have)

Pics from the old thread in PP

http://www.212cafe.com/boardvip/user...re/00253_0.jpghttp://www.212cafe.com/boardvip/user...re/00254_2.jpg


http://www.212cafe.com/boardvip/user...re/00254_5.jpghttp://www.212cafe.com/boardvip/user...re/00254_6.jpg

Re: LJ_Tan - Nepenthes
 

nice short viking !!! Sifu Nepnut got any extra for sale ?

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I don't have leh... but wanakorn got. You can try ask him....

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Wah.....
Very nice lei.....

Dear cbkhoon,
You will contact wanakorn for this?
If Yes, I will joint you for group purchase.

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This morning just notice one of the N. mirabilis var. globosa have grow one small plant from the base as below photo.

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1276997947

Do N. mirabilis var. globosa also grow the base as N.ampullaria?:confused:

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I think all types of Nepenthes do it. It's called "basaling" by the way ;)

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busy with work recently.. wil try to message wanakorn when i free..

BTW, all nep wil grow basal from time to time, especially when the main stem left slanted and the humidity is right to them. Ampularia always grow basal more frequent than any other sp. coz this is their habit.

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For ampullaria case, it's more of basal pitchers (eventually will become carpet of pitchers) like what gracilis and distallatoria will do.

The other kind of basal will be basal off shoot, like for you globosa in this case. This will eventually grow into another plant.

Boon,
If K. Wanakorn got the same globosa "kapook" form available, I'll be interested also. I think I asked him before 1 year ago but it's no available.... hopefully he got some now but I think it'll be not cheap.

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Dear marvin,

Thank for your sharing.

Dear cbkhoon,
Thank for sharing.

Busy with work but still needs to takecare.


Dear NepNut,

Thank for sharing.

I'm not readly understand the meaning for 'basal off shoot'. Can you explain more detail on it?:shy:

Thank you

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This is my N. mirabilis var. globosa Plant 1 as today afternoon.

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1277391980


The pitcher was grow bigger and bigger
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1277391980


This pitcher was grow in middle of May, it about 25mm.
New pitcher (on the top side) still growing, it will >60mm?
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1277391980


This pitcher was grow in beginning of Jun, it about 40mm.
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1277391980


This pitcher was grow in middle of Jun, it about 60mm.
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1277391980


What is the pitcher size (bigger) can grow for N. mirabilis var. globosa?
:confused::confused::confused:

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this is mine, suppose better colour last week... too busy until forget to shade them after "cooked".. colour fade liao..
Attachment 3766

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LJ_Tan - Basals are new growth points started from the rootball of the plant, that in most species, grow to become to new plants. Offshoots from the mainstem (like as if you were taking a cutting of a nep, and it came out of the side of the stem just above the leaf) are activated nodes that start out, generally if something has damaged the main vine, but in some species, just form them because it is their habit.
N. ampullaria basals profusely, and produces new plants on many of the nodes along the vine, however most of these basals and nodes do not continue to grow out into full plants in this species, it is mainly this species way of covering as much ground as possible to obtain as much leaf litter/debris as possible to better suit its growth and life style :)

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Dear cbkhoon,

Wow....

Very nice pitcher :1thumbup:

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Dear SirKristoff,

Thank for sharing.

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This is mine N. mirabilis var. globosa : Plant 3, I did post it on 12.06 at #54.

Below photo was taken on this morning.

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1277563473

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1277563792
The picther I post on 12.06 was about 65mm

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1277563473
The new pitcher compare with 12.06 ols pitcher

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1277563473

Pls guess the size for new pitcher .....

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globosa latest pitchers....i nicknamed it 'sitting buddha' hahahaha....compare it with the pitcher that hang naturally...peristome still yellowish.

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/DSC01282.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/DSC01284.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/DSC01286.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/DSC01285.jpg

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The globosa wings are very elegant Kevyn! Are these from CBKhoon as well?

Alvin

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Yup, from the same source...*biggrin2*

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Those are well grown nep!!!!

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Thank caseyhoo

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N. mirabilis var. globosa : Plant 6

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1278344972

https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1278344972

This is Grade A?
*biggrin2**biggrin2**biggrin2*

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Tan, that is nice!!!

Im wonder how you hide those N. mirabilis var. globosa from sunlight?

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Dear caseyhoo,

I use kampung method : use news' paper cover the new pitcher until it was change to 'Red', it take about 2 weeks. But need to takecare because the new pitcher may wither away due to the 'hit' or 'steaming' *biggrin2**biggrin2**biggrin2*

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:1thumbup::1thumbup::1thumbup: Yours afford is really award you really nice pitcher!!!! I like it!!!! Im wonder, how many N. mirabilis var. globosa you hav.

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i agreed!! i think he has quite a few plants from cbkhoon..*biggrin2*

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Dear caseyhoo,

I will like to thank to NepNut and cbkhoon because inform me on how to get the pitcher be 'Red' color.


Dear caseyhoo,kevyn chan,
I purchase 10 plants from cbkhoon *biggrin2**biggrin2**biggrin2*
As now, I only putting 6 plants photo and other 4 plants did not because it was same as other.
I just get 100 seed on yesterday from Thailand for N. mirabilis var. globosa. I hope can success to grow them. :shy:

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so many plants from cbkhoon? and again if all the viking seedlings 'hatched', you will have an army of vikings to invade and awe us!!!*biggrin2**biggrin2**biggrin2*

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Dear kevyn chan,

I hope the % of germinat was high.

I can use it to att*biggrin2**biggrin2**biggrin2*

The reason I buy the seed from Thailand because in Malaysia the price for this plant was very high (for begginer like me). I'm try to grow some plant and let begginer to enjoy the fun and let more people start for CPs plant in Malaysia.

I hope you will support me when I release them to market.:shy:

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Very nicely grown... you're hard working Tan :1thumbup:

I like the round pitcher shape of the last globosa... :wub:

Hope more and more ppl will try to grow neps from seeds in Malaysia so we all can have cheaper plants to share among Malaysian.... Then hoprefully the numbers of hobbyist will increase. :smile:

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i have another batch of viking coming up also, start germinated this few days after sowed 2 week+, give me another 12 months...the nwe can exchange to haev more variety just in case yours and mine are diferent..

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Dear NepNut,

I also like this round pitcher. This is one of the reason why I buy 10 plants from cbkhoon but only get 1 with 'round'.

Both of us have the same target, let do it.

But I still needs more time to learn about Nepenthes.
I hope can learn more from you, sifu.

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Wow.....
We can exchange for it but mine want needs 12months + 2weeks....*biggrin2*

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Once you started to get more experience, you understand why nep with nice pitcher shape and color is more valuable because it's harder to find.

Me no sifu lar...:shy: sifatt got lar... *biggrin2**biggrin2*

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Dear NepNut,

Noted.

I have below question and hope all can give some idea on it:

1. Why in same batch of plant but we can found different of pitcher (color and size)?
2. If refer to same species:
a.we pollination grade A (femala) with grade C (male), the baby will be ?
b.we pollination grade A (male) with grade C (female), the baby will be ?
3. If refer to different species:
a.we pollination grade A (femala) with grade C (male), the baby will be ?
b.we pollination grade A (male) with grade C (female), the baby will be ?


Pls advice:shy:

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Good questions, I will try my best to give you answer... :shy:

1. It's genetics. There'll be no two alike with seed grown plants. Like you and me.... *biggrin2*

2. (a) + (b) Like answer no. 1, it'll be hard to guess how the babies will turn out but generally speaking, the babies will tends to follow the trait of the "female" more when we're talking about nep.

3. (a) + (b) Please refer to answer no. 2

All I can say, if you want to get good cross, choose the parents carefully and be patient to wait for the right time....

Hope this help. Please feel free to add points or correct me if I'm wrong. :shy:

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Dear NepNut,

Thank for advice :1thumbup::1thumbup::1thumbup:

But how we choose the parents ? Any method ?
"wait for the right time" meaning ?

:shy:

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LJ,
If you want to get good cross, you'll have to do "selective" breeding. By that it means you will have to choose plants with desirable traits to use it as one or both of the parent.

"Waiting for the right time" mean you wait for the selected plants to flower and made the cross with a selected male pollen. If you simple cross any flowering plants when it flower, then the result will be very random and most of the time the seedlings will only be an average looking species/hydrid.

All this is easier said than done becasue it'll take a long time to do what you wanted (not yet adding the time to grow the seedlings), unless you have a large collection of plants with good traits. Another way is to do pollen exchange and share the seeds among those that contribute.

Another thing you need to remember... there's always less female plants than male, the ratio is about 3 : 7..... that means out of 100 seedlings you grow, there'll be only about 30% females.

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I like to add to the discussion...

2.
If a trait shown is decided by small gene count, then it is possible to predict offspring characteristics. For human, blood group and eye color are examples. But if a trait spans wide variations, it is likely controlled by a group of genes. Such as height and color. We can expect variations in offsprings from extremes to anything in between. Probably Gaussian distributed. Nucleus DNA is equally supplied by both parents. Characteristics carried by either male or female weigh the same. Gregor Mendel started genetic study using plants...:) Do we know why nep shows more of maternal phenotype (characteristics displayed)? Could it be organelle DNA (chloroplast, mitocondria...)? These carry much fewer genes though.

3.
Hybrids of species having different chromosome count may show phenotype of one parent more than the other. The offsprings are normally sterile due to odd chromosome count. This should not be the case for nep because the offsprings are fertile.

I am neither geneticist nor botanist... feel free to correct me...:)

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Dear NepNut,

Thank for above.

I learn some new thing.

Current on hand I have 10 plants of N. mirabilis var. globosa and the pitcher was different as I putting the photo in this forum. 2/10 the pitcher was small and was about 1/3 size compare to other. I still waiting do this 2 plants can produce 'big' size pitcher r not.If I'm so 'lucky' that this 2 plants was female, I should cross it with male pollen or not. 1/10 the pitcher was 'round' and 4/10 the pitcher was about 60mm and above.

Or I should 'scrap' the female plants and look for better 'quality' female plant?:shy:

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Dear tzestan,

You are will welcome to discuss on this item.

Thank for highlight some of the thing that I should learn and find out more information.

The 10 plants N. mirabilis var. globosa that I get from cbkhoon. The size for pitcher was different. I do not sure on do Nepethes have carry any gen that have same function as "blood group" like human. Normally in same batch of seed, we will get 'same' thing - size, color, etc but for Nepenthes was different.

If gen from Female was domain, how do we control on it and do any gen only carry by Female but did not carry by Male. Do them have any 'hide' bad gen that carry by 2nd generation but will 'show' at 3rd generation if we use the same ethnicity.

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sorry for interupt, mind if i join the discussion also?
i was learning biology on f5, and i saw some question i can answer also, just give it a try

about all plant pitcher is different is because when fertilisation which involve the chromosome from both parent to fuse together to form a complete individual plant with fixed number of chromosomes, and inside the chromosomes, there got two type of genetic which determine the characteristic of the plant, the two types give them a symbol N and n, one represent the strong genetic, another which indicate the weak genetic, when both genetic had fused together, if got nn arrangement, then the characteristic of n will show up, if Nn, N characteristic will show up, if NN, N characteristic will show up, because there got too many different combination can be found in genetic, so they will have different characteristic. For example, i and you and others are human with same number of chromosomes but build up from different combination of genetic which list by the order of AT and GC, these combination form a lot of chromosomes and a lot of chromosomes form DNA, because the arrangement is different, so we look different so just like the pitcher also,some got spot, some got different shape and some got different colour when expose to sunlight. When a gene show a strong characteristic like n.gracilis x raff, it will show the shape of gracilis and colour of raff, it means that gracilis has stronger gene of body shape, raff have stronger gene in colouring, you can see this in one of the thread that David make a long time ago, i forget where is it already, XP