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arvin555 2nd September 2009 10:15 AM

N. truncata Cultivation guide
 
Species: N. truncata
Highland/Lowland: Highland & Intermediate
Country of Origin: Philippines
Natural Habitat:
Described by:

Cultivation Guide

Lighting: 60 to 80% sunlight (some full sun)
Potting Medium: Coco chips
Temperature: 20C to 38C
Humidity: 60 to 80%
Watering: Daily
Propagation: Seeds

Remarks:
Though N. truncata is considered a highland or intermediate, there are some low land varieties and even the highland varieties should acclimate to lowland conditions.

Slow growth rate. Does not seem to like too wet a medium, the water tray if present should be allowed to go dry a bit before watering. Benefits from a big pot as well.

I have never heard of propagation by cutting yet, seems difficult, probably even more difficult than Veitchii.

Pitchers seem to grow quite big if it is resting on top of something so that the leaf does not support the pitcher by itself.

Aliamyz 2nd September 2009 02:37 PM

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It will take at least 5 months for it to recover after stress.Mine died though.:(

NepNut 2nd September 2009 03:19 PM

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If I may add from my experience with N. truncata, they prefer very well drain media, just treat them like you're growing any epiphytic plant (more or less), they have thick leaves so they can handle a short period of dry out condition (but that doesn't mean low humidity). I don't use water tray method and don't think that's neccessary for growing N. truncata.

I prefer using smaller pot mainly because smaller pot size have smaller volume hence it won't be able to hold too much water and dry out faster especially during monsoon season if you grow your plants outdoor.

I found BE's N. truncata "Pasian" is a much vigorous grower compared to MT's clone in L/L tropical weather. BE's clone seems to be able to acclimitise fully to flourish in L/L tropical condition. My 2 cents.

kit1212 2nd September 2009 04:17 PM

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What media do you use ?

NepNut 2nd September 2009 04:42 PM

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I'm currently using 60% perlite : 30% coco chips : 10% charcoal. Will be experimenting with just chunks of coco chips next trial, L/L N. veitchii seems to be doing well for me with 100% coco chips.

marvin1997 2nd September 2009 06:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cpnut (Post 20118)
If I may add from my experience with N. truncata, they prefer very well drain media, just treat them like you're growing any epiphytic plant (more or less), they have thick leaves so they can handle a short period of dry out condition (but that doesn't mean low humidity). I don't use water tray method and don't think that's neccessary for growing N. truncata.

I prefer using smaller pot mainly because smaller pot size have smaller volume hence it won't be able to hold too much water and dry out faster especially during monsoon season if you grow your plants outdoor.

I found BE's N. truncata "Pasian" is a much vigorous grower compared to MT's clone in L/L tropical weather. BE's clone seems to be able to acclimitise fully to flourish in L/L tropical condition. My 2 cents.

RIGHT!!!Although Fauzi told me already*biggrin2*He says the neps that come from Phllipines prefer airy media

kentosaurs 2nd September 2009 08:29 PM

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Umm as for me....Mine did well at the beginning till it got attack by rust spot fungus...They seem to get this fungus easier then other neps...I agree with the airier mix..I've also read that do not over pot them......

plantlover 2nd September 2009 08:49 PM

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Mine is fine. It is still growing. All my neps experience the same condition. Bad quality LFS, filtered water, 65-80% humidity and full sun with some shade sometimes.

kit1212 2nd September 2009 10:13 PM

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Thx guys,this really has enligtened me on how to grow interesting neps like N.truncata.Btw where can I get cocochips?

arvin555 3rd September 2009 10:18 AM

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Marvin, please be careful, do not generalize "all neps from Philippines" because not all neps here are Epiphytes, N. alata (lowland) and N. Mirabilis like continually moist medium and not well drained.

Ken what does "overpotting" mean? Do not use too big pots?

Thanks guys for your feedbacks, comments and questions, I learned a lot and the initial data will be edited accordingly :)

TTFN
Arvin

kentosaurs 4th September 2009 09:30 AM

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Hi Arvin...I've only read about it but if i remembered it was about if you give it too much space when it is small the roots can't hold on that fast and growth will be slow etc etc or something like that..But it could be true cos when i got my small truncata it overpotted it and it took soo long to pitcher...

kit1212 14th September 2009 04:14 PM

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Any media that I can use besides cocochips?

arvin555 15th September 2009 12:12 AM

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Pretty sure you can get Coco chips or coco chunks in your area, if you can't then Osmunda fiber will probably work, but I personally have not tried, it, though should work quite nicely. Also you might want to mix it with clay pellets. Check out the thread about inorganic potting mix about the clay pellets. You can also mix in some sphagnum moss.

TTFN
Arvin

NepNut 15th September 2009 01:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kit1212 (Post 20514)
Any media that I can use besides cocochips?

You can try 30% chopped Sphagnum moss : 50% perlite : 20% crushed charcoal bits if you can't find cocochips in your area.

marvin1997 15th September 2009 03:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by arvin555 (Post 20156)
Marvin, please be careful, do not generalize "all neps from Philippines" because not all neps here are Epiphytes, N. alata and N. Mirabilis like continually most medium and not well drained.

Oops...Sorry:tongue:

alienfx 18th January 2010 10:03 PM

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I have seen some big bad ass truncata's in small pots.So whats the real secret of growing them?Can anybody share?

I was using 100% moss previously but now using clay pellets (expensive),florafoam,riser sand,perlite and moss.Seems better but im not satisfied."Saya mahu besar punya :tongue:...."

marvin1997 20th January 2010 03:25 PM

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Fertelizer?Full sun?Mine loved those...sob..

alienfx 20th January 2010 09:04 PM

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So Marvin,how big is yours?Show la some pictures?Will show mine later...

marvin1997 22nd January 2010 07:26 PM

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Erm....er....how should I put it....it passed on...yeah sob......about 4 inches and leaf to leaf 5.5 inches and pitcher is about 2 inches?Has red on the side of it's leaf if full sun and cute vigorous(for me)Likes the fert (cacti fert lol) and grow quite fast when I give a little squirt in the pitcher

alienfx 15th March 2010 09:44 PM

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This is what i got due to over watering:

Big leaves but very tiny pitcher.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...x/DSC00275.jpg

After reduced watering 2 days once.This is what i get.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...x/DSC00276.jpg

alienfx 15th March 2010 10:11 PM

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Latest pitcher.Biggest so far i got.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...x/DSC00312.jpg

kentosaurs 15th March 2010 10:23 PM

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Hey arvin...I assume thats the MT clone...right? and what media..

alienfx 15th March 2010 10:38 PM

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You forgot to wear your specs ah?Hehehe...Im alienfx la not arvin..Not sure clone from where.Bought from Fauzi la..

Mostly clay pellets,some moss,some florafoam and some river sand la...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...x/DSC00273.jpg

kit1212 15th March 2010 10:52 PM

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wow,very healthy and big truncata pitcher you got there!!Really envy you.T.T My truncata is suffering from rust spots now.

cjloong 15th March 2010 11:28 PM

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Really nice truncata. Great job.

BTW. Just wanna ask what type of clay pellets are you using and what are the size?

alienfx 15th March 2010 11:38 PM

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Last when bought frm Fauzi the pitchers are decent.Then the new pitchers keep becoming small and small.Only when i reduced the watering cycle,the pitchers start to become bigger again.I guess when the media is dried,more air go to the roots.

The clay pallets are small.Bought from Carrefour.1 small packet around rm5 plus.

caseyhoo 15th March 2010 11:40 PM

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James, did you supply any fertilizer or what to yours plants?

alienfx 15th March 2010 11:46 PM

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Zero fertilizer.Dont believe in them.All those king kong size pitchers in the wild where people feed fertilizer?The pitchers catch tons of ants by themselves..

caseyhoo 16th March 2010 09:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alienfx (Post 26867)
Zero fertilizer.Dont believe in them.All those king kong size pitchers in the wild where people feed fertilizer?The pitchers catch tons of ants by themselves..

IC...

But, Im not agree with you... If you fertilize yours CP with correct dosage. Im 100% it will help yours plant overall growing...

Aliamyz 16th March 2010 09:10 AM

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I personally apply honey in their peristomes to see if they can attract more ants,but the pitchers started to dry up.

May i know what's the difference since it produces nectar too??

marvin1997 16th March 2010 10:50 AM

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Ooh nice...Mine also from fauzi, same as yours

alienfx 19th March 2010 06:42 PM

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KC in the jungle the neps also very big big..But nobody put in fertilizer ma..How can they become so big by eating mostly ants?

edwardyeeks 19th March 2010 07:38 PM

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Lol, fertilizer is for those staying in condos, ants and other insects aren't very abundant there.

Btw, I think that feeding nep truncata a huge food (I fed one pitcher with a slug cut in half and another pitcher with the other half of the slug) will stunt the plant. The pitcher died in two days and rust spots started appearing including fungus. I'm not sure, but is it possible that big food causes terrible decomposition that attracts lots of bacteria and fungus that harms the truncata plant?

Anyway, my truncata died. :( It's hard to recover once it has shock but usually, when it starts producing huge pitchers, its quite hardy.

kentosaurs 19th March 2010 08:06 PM

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I stay in a condo....Nvr really had much trouble finding ants....I can alway see them...Well 1 or 2 running around cos most of them have been eaten....Seriously almost all my pitchers have at least a couple of ants in them

edwardyeeks 19th March 2010 08:24 PM

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Which floor is your condo, Ken? Mine is the 10th floor. My mom exterminates ants on sight, without leaving them for my CPs :) and originally, there was an ant colony growing near the drain in my balcony. Then my neps ate them all, especially the ventrata. When you stay at the 10th floor condo, chances of insects caught by your nep is slim unless you count ants and occasionally cockroaches. There won't be enough insects to feed 8 neps.

And most of my VFT and droseras died out of starvation. I swear I will never put my VFTs next to my sarracenia flava again :)

plantlover 19th March 2010 11:16 PM

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VFT and drosera do not need food. They can photosynthesis. The insects are just for better growth. Mine is worst. My father cause them to starve to death by preventing photosynthesis from taking place.

plantlover 19th March 2010 11:20 PM

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@KC
I do not fertilize my neps too. I believe they just need insects(my house has tons of them). They can catch so much ants that the pitcher looks black. I also catch the occasional grasshopper or caterpillar and feed them to my plants. Revenge is sweet. Take that for munching on my plants, pest. I feed scale and mealybugs to my fish too. Muahahaha.

caseyhoo 19th March 2010 11:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alienfx (Post 26973)
KC in the jungle the neps also very big big..But nobody put in fertilizer ma..How can they become so big by eating mostly ants?

In jungle, there is so many insect... So, dont need to fertilize or feed them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by plantlover (Post 26985)
@KC
I do not fertilize my neps too. I believe they just need insects(my house has tons of them). They can catch so much ants that the pitcher looks black. I also catch the occasional grasshopper or caterpillar and feed them to my plants. Revenge is sweet. Take that for munching on my plants, pest. I feed scale and mealybugs to my fish too. Muahahaha.

Catching insect and feed CP workable. But, troublesome... So, fertilize them is faster way to give them supplimenter...

I still believe on fertilizing CP and there is many post at internet said that fertilizer will help on CP growth...

We are ways out of topic... :blush:

plantlover 20th March 2010 02:28 AM

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I don't feed them, they catch insects themselves. I do occasionally feed them when I'm bored. Well different people have different opinions. Agreed, way off topic lol.

sooxiwei 22nd March 2010 09:57 PM

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after reading here and there, plus consultation of few experts around, i got to know this sp require less water than most other nep, but does it require good humidity or not? thanks

kentosaurs 23rd March 2010 03:14 PM

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All neps benefit from good humidity but not to soggy (example all the time around 90+ too 100) But truncata in my experience is not that fussy bout a lot of things..

Aliamyz 23rd March 2010 06:27 PM

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The only thing that can kill a truncata is poor lighting.Other than that it can handle almost all neglection.

sooxiwei 24th March 2010 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliamyz (Post 27118)
The only thing that can kill a truncata is poor lighting.Other than that it can handle almost all neglection.

you mean they can even stand the heat of 35 degree celcius under afternoon full sun? mine is growing super slow and the new leafs are getting smaller, most pro told me that i water them too much:spinning:

alcran 24th March 2010 11:14 AM

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I think it is shrinking from heat. They don't like hot temperatures like that. 35C is like 95F, right? Personally, I keep my truncata pretty wet. Mine shrinks during the really hot weather.

marvin1997 31st March 2010 05:55 PM

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What about weird markings on new leaf?? Maybe I water too much. The leaf's kinda red too

sooxiwei 5th April 2010 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by marvin1997 (Post 27371)
What about weird markings on new leaf?? Maybe I water too much. The leaf's kinda red too

u mean there are red spot on new leaf? I got that trouble too and my new leaf not growing big as well, plus all the pitchers have their top half brown in color

alcran 5th April 2010 05:16 AM

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u mean there are red spot on new leaf? I got that trouble too and my new leaf not growing big as well, plus all the pitchers have their top half brown in color

The leaf is small and kind of wavy with small red dots on it, right? That happens to me during hot periods.

edwardyeeks 5th April 2010 05:07 PM

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It happens when you expose the plant to too much sunlight or there isn't sufficient humidity or it's too hot. Try moving it around, if it doesn't work you can repot it.

marvin1997 5th April 2010 06:49 PM

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Then I moved it to a much shadier place :) How many days you guys leave it before watering?

sooxiwei 6th April 2010 01:42 AM

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thanks for the clues:1thumbup:

need to achieve drier medium but high humidity is really a big challenge


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