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tzestan 23rd August 2009 03:14 PM

VFT Lifecycle
 
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It is not easy to find information of complete VFT lifecycle in cultivation. There are fragmented postings of the the plant in various phases. I am starting to grow from seeds. This is a good place to document the development. Also to serve as a reference growing the plant till mature plants are obtained.

Phase 1: Germination
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Temperature: 29 Celsius, day-night difference about 3 Celsius
Light: Direct sunlight 3.30-5.30pm, indirect sunlight the other time
Water: Rain
Relative humidity: 60-90%
Soil: Dried long fibered sphagnum moss (LFS)
No cold stratification. Seeds are put within 5mm from top of LFS.

The setup is shown here.
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1251007231

Germination stages:
Day 16
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1251007231

Day 23
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1251007231

Day 30
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1251007231

Seeds germinated: 46% (11 out of 24)
2 seeds wilted before putting up trap leaves. No obvious reason, likely to be weaker plants.

I believe all viable seeds have germinated. Some statistical analysis here,
Mean: 14.55 days
Standard deviation: 2.73 days

With the information, graphs based on normal distribution can be plotted.

Figure 1: Germination on a particular day after sowing.
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1251007231
Example interpretation:
4% of viable seeds germinate on day 10.
15% of viable seeds germinate on day 14.

Figure 2: Cumulative germination on a particular day after sowing.
https://forum.petpitcher.net/attachme...1&d=1251007231
Example interpretation:
By day 17, 80% of viable seeds should have germinated.
By day 20, 98% of viable seeds should have germinated.
Viable seed estimation: If 20 seeds are sown, and 10 seeds germinated by day 17, you may predict total viable seeds 10 / 80% = 13 seeds. The remaining seeds are likely not viable.

The graphs are constructed based on small sample I have. Regardless, it should give a rough idea on germination rate and duration.

Phase 2: Growing
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As the seedlings start to put out trap leaves, they are now in growing phase.

Conditions remain the same as germination, except the direct sunlight duration has increased to 3 hours, ie 2-5pm.

Will update as it goes...:smile:

marvin1997 25th August 2009 08:10 PM

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Very useful!!!You got yourself some seeds,eh?Medium can be peat also right?

tzestan 27th August 2009 10:17 PM

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I hope to get my mature plant produces some seed next 1-2 years. I believe peat would work. Others posted reports using that. The nursery had only LSF during my visit. On second thought, LSF is much better aerated. Most terrestrial plants like its root aerated. Peat will need perlite mix to achieve that.

TranMinh 28th August 2009 10:33 PM

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Usually VFT become mature for 4 - 6 years !

tzestan 28th August 2009 10:51 PM

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I mean my other big plant, probably after next dormancy. Not this batch of seedlings...:smile:

tzestan 23rd October 2009 10:48 PM

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Phase 2: Growing (3 months)
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To date:

Attachment 2519

A summary of gowth progress for the same plant.

1 month
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2 months
Attachment 2521

3 months
Attachment 2522

Enjoy :smile:

caseyhoo 23rd October 2009 11:07 PM

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That is nice update!!! And seems like u grow it nicely. 3 months got 1 cm!!!

shamrock 24th October 2009 08:56 PM

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wow, this is great! thanks for sharing tzestan! :smile: :smile:

marvin1997 25th October 2009 09:32 PM

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MIne got too crowded:unsure:

TS 26th October 2009 01:06 PM

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Congrates that you have got yourself some vigorous forms' seeds, they grow pretty fast and nice too.

tzestan 1st November 2009 11:37 PM

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Thanks for everyone's positve comments.:smile:

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvin1997 (Post 22103)
MIne got too crowded:unsure:

Mine the exact opposite. Except the photo I posted with 3 plants next to each other, the remaining plantlets are spaced out too far...:biggrin:

tzestan 22nd January 2010 10:12 PM

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6 Months
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This is how the same 3 most vigorous plants look like at 6 month old.

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They are growing so fast. Even leaf pulling plant is unable to catch up.
At this rate, I may expect mature plants in 1 year... :)

marvin1997 22nd January 2010 10:14 PM

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Mine are too small...tzestan some tips pls!:)

tzestan 23rd January 2010 01:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marvin1997 (Post 25605)
Mine are too small...tzestan some tips pls!:)

Err... nothing out of ordinary. But I do notice well fed plants grow faster. There is 1 seedling that is barely 1cm in diameter. This one produces only small and deformed traps.

marvin1997 23rd January 2010 04:49 PM

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Maybe come out new cultivar!!Do you give full sun?How you water??I am so sorry for the babies because when I water them the perlite cover them up..shoudln't have used perlite but I have a red one!!!Haha!

powersensor 26th January 2010 11:01 PM

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What did you feed your VFT and how frequent?

marvin1997 27th January 2010 04:37 PM

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I think the catch themselves...well mine do the ants are crawling everywhere but the ants isn't coming out lately..

tzestan 28th January 2010 09:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by powersensor (Post 25793)
What did you feed your VFT and how frequent?

I let them catch on their own.

tzestan 23rd April 2010 10:16 PM

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9 months
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9 month old plants. There are 3 plants in the clump. So cramp now...:)

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They grow much faster than leaf pulling plant...

allenphoon 23rd April 2010 10:36 PM

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wow...congratulations.....my first vft died within one month........now still got fobia towards them, haha

LJ_Tan 23rd April 2010 11:27 PM

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Dear tzestan,

Thank for the sharing.

I will more patient for my VFT.

tzestan 25th April 2010 10:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by allenphoon (Post 28457)
...my first vft died within one month........now still got fobia towards them, haha

So did my first VFT...:smile: I bought my second plant 6 months later.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJ_Tan (Post 28461)
I will more patient for my VFT.

Give it some time. Let us know how it goes.

jusbajan 30th August 2010 11:10 AM

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Nice.. This forum is just what i've been looking for. As far as I am aware there are no carnivorous plants available in Barbados. I myself am looking at germinating various types of CP seeds for my presonal collection. Depending on how easily they propagate I may look at cultivation for resale. I choose seeds because it'll save alot of hassle, import-wise.

What Var. of Dionaea are we looking at?

:smile:

sooxiwei 30th August 2010 08:36 PM

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the common variant is vft "typical", followed by vft "shark tooth" and vft "red dragon", this is the case in malaysia, you can find more from US since the plant is originally from there

Harris Azariel 1st October 2010 12:02 AM

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hey Tan,any updates on them?

tzestan 2nd October 2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Harris Azariel (Post 33331)
hey Tan,any updates on them?

Not sure if the question is for me or LJ? ...:)
Anyway, the plants are now awaken from their first dormancy recently. One put out flower stalk... aborted half way though. Guess it is still young. They have not grown till where they were before sleeping. So, will wait a while before showing photos.

Harris Azariel 2nd October 2010 10:27 PM

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yes were talking to u :)

wow what a fast! maturity in 1year!!

show us pics!

emperorsnakehead 25th November 2010 11:52 AM

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wow...this is amazing to see those plants grow so fast..
do you use SPSS to count the means?

tzestan 4th December 2010 09:37 PM

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This was their size when uprooted a few months back, right at the start of becoming dormant, which was 11 months in age. Growing amazingly faster than leaf pullings.
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Finally, they have grown for a while and ready for photo after awakening from dormancy. This is at 1 year and 5 months old. Err... too lazy to trim away the dead leaves.
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The largest tried to flower. It realized it was too young and gave up...:)
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Will take more photos a few months later when they are at their best...:)

Harris Azariel 4th December 2010 10:39 PM

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very fast!

maybe that young mother still not ready to have baby but she's trying *biggrin2*

do you give any fertilizers or something?


Thanks
H

emperorsnakehead 4th December 2010 11:36 PM

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i want one...:crying::crying::crying:

allenphoon 4th December 2010 11:41 PM

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i realize that transplant vft seedlings will stun them, do you think so?
and something like a mass of spider web too growing on the media, what should i do? please advice..

Harris Azariel 5th December 2010 12:34 AM

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transplanting carefully wont stun your VFT badly from what i observe.but if you use long fibered sphagnum moss for it,when your about to repot it and if your careless,you might break a root or two and that might stress the plant

spider web sometimes grow at mine too.not just VFT but sarrs also.but i dont see any bad effects

i spray with pesticide or neem oil to be on the safe side.


Thanks
Harris :)

tzestan 5th December 2010 10:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Harris Azariel (Post 34678)
do you give any fertilizers or something?

They are efficient in capturing their own food. You can find carcass of insects in the traps from the photo. I am more worried that they overeat than nutrient deficient.

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenphoon (Post 34681)
i realize that transplant vft seedlings will stun them, do you think so?
and something like a mass of spider web too growing on the media, what should i do? please advice..

The smallest I transplanted was ~1.5cm in size. They don't seem to mind at all. Growth continue immediately.
Are you sure the webs belonged to spiders? Or is it fungus? Spiders don't survive long near VFTs. Spiders are among the favourite meal on menu. Fungus usually disappear after a few days... leave the pot a bit on drier side.

Harris Azariel 5th December 2010 12:06 PM

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you tranplanted 1.5cm VFT!

thats hard!how do you able to do that?!?!?toooooooooooooo small:biggrin:

allenphoon 5th December 2010 01:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tzestan (Post 34684)
They are efficient in capturing their own food. You can find carcass of insects in the traps from the photo. I am more worried that they overeat than nutrient deficient.


The smallest I transplanted was ~1.5cm in size. They don't seem to mind at all. Growth continue immediately.
Are you sure the webs belonged to spiders? Or is it fungus? Spiders don't survive long near VFTs. Spiders are among the favourite meal on menu. Fungus usually disappear after a few days... leave the pot a bit on drier side.

thats why i write "something like a mass of spider web", i know it like funges and i always have problem with them, the seedlings that live near it experience "stun" if this is the proper word
well, so far i found out that seedlings favourite meals was the small 1-2mm insects that crawling on the sphagnum moss, thats insects corpse are usually found on the small trap that i have


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