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Thank you very much for the advise .I have not decided what species to plant ,but had bought some nepenthes plant for trail and get some experince handling the plant . Where do you get the seeds from ? Not able to get any seeds here in Johor Malaysia . I may request from the seed bank

Have a nice day

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You can get seeds from some ebay seller...

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lol i hope u mean cape sundew seeds. the only reason i would use seeds is for tissue culture, and only for nepenthes seeds. They take sooo long to grow, and tend to die on ya, at least in my experience.go for a plant b4 the seed! it evil >.>

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I agree with Vincent, Teysh. The seeds take a long time to grow and like he said they'll die on you... like my N.Mirabilis and Dioneae seeds

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There is nothing more rewarding than growing your plants from seeds. Most of my lowland plants I've grown from seeds. It isn't so hard if you give them the right conditions. All you need is some patience. But isn't this what a gardener should have anyway? Don't have a clue what this has to do with tissue culture. There is no difference at first :confused: I grow my plants preferebly from seeds to have some individuals and not the same copy which hundreds of other growers also have. This is lots of more interesting.

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I agree with Boris on this point... when I first started in nep hobby, I always thought TC plants is the only way to go. Now, I will only get TC plants unless I got no other source of obtaining certain nep species and hybrids, I still prefer plants from a seed grown origin.

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the point of doing tissue culture on nepenthes seeds is so you DONT have to wait...yes, when grown by seed you can let them grow, picking out your favs out of the batch, but its just too long and too much of a pain to start out with a nep seed. tissue culturing nep seed takes about 7-10 weeks, and then you have a substantial looking plant;sure it costs alittle bit, but you get limitless amounts of plants that r priceless if you have bicalcarata, villosa, hamata, macrophyla, etc...but i was mainly talking to teysh, since they are unexperienced u kno;i sure wouldnt of wanted someone to give me nep seeds when i started out, and i probably will never buy seeds, for the simple fact it takes YEARS to produce substantial plant. i will only do seeds when my plants flower/if they flower around the same time, and if they are 2 that i want to make a hybrid out of,which is the only good thing about using there seeds. dont start the seeds unless you are ready to go down a bumpy,bumpy mountain of pain and patience. and boris...i said the only reason i would use nep seeds is for tc, meaning i will only grow nepenthes from seed when i get the materials for tissue culture, giving teysh a bigger picture on seeds vs. a grown plant.. now do u have a clue?

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it's not true that tc seed grown plants are faster growing invitro than normal seed propagation. The only advantage of growing them in tc is stage 2. That you've got sterile seedlings which you can divide countless.

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lol alright. if you look at, lets say, a 3 yr old gracilis grown from seed, its as small as a ampullaria basal shoot!! And dont be too disappointed when you see a 5-6 yr old grown from seed, its very disappointing, in my opinion, too say the least.Now with tissue culture, depending on the plant, and a little luck, by the time they are deflasked, and potted, they are about an inch or two long, and you know by that time which plants are healthy, because they have made it this far!With seed you can grow your neps for years, and then you start to weed the weak ones out and pick plants with the best traits; with tissue culture, its definitely a faster way of natural selection. But really, both tc and seeding nepenthes need upmost attention and patience, but tc culture still brings in more quantity, and more quality, face down, period. How do you figure that boris? a successful invitro process harbors more potential for the seed than growing it in the ground;there life cycle is boosted onwards, and the plants grow just like they were a basal shoot, and doesnt take them 4-5 years to look like one. obviously, they do grow faster.

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i also would only tc the nep seeds if they were grown by i, so it would(and have to) be a hybrid that no one has made or registered yet. Who wants to grow nepenthes ampullaria, rafflesiana, gracilis etc. from seed if thats all anyone grows anyway?even popular hybrids like viking?? If i want a hybrid of raff and fusca, ill go by an established hybrid thank you, and save the work and labor of seeds when there is actually something worth growing, u kno? something none have seen or grown.