akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

I have a chat with a nursery boss during my visit few days ago, he had advised me to apply permit for Akta 686. Malaysia Goverment has annouce this : http://www.doa.gov.my/pqnet/bm/annou...an_AKTA686.pdf


Wish to know more about this. I think we should discuss this and get all the forummer ready for this.

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Then what should we do? Register our own CP immediately?? lolx....

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Ok.....so far I haven't been caught for growing neps or any sort of things like that. Has anyone suffered the consequences of this Akta? In Malaysia?

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there is a grace period until end of june 2010. no one can guarantee wat happen after that without the permit..

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WHAT!!!! I'm not collecting wild ones!! Why register them!!

And do wwe have to bring them to somewhere or what? 1 plant 1 permit? Or need money (I'm migrating to Singapore if that happens)?

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Lol me too o.o What benefit do they have if we register our plants??:confused:

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perhaps extra money pocket??

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I made google translate it for me but I think part of it was 'lost in translation',

Specially the waste part. Anyway from what I gather wow, it means everyone who maintains or own a threatened species needs a permit, regardless of where it was purchased. It seems like it applies not only to import or export but also owning. I think that this is a bit crazy and difficult to enforce... or make it difficult for hobbyists. I mean what about man made hybrids? etc.

Hope a member who is in the position to confirm and clarify this will post an update and clarification for everyone's benefit.

TTFN
Arvin

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Why hobbyist too? The government is so fussy!

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i think our current goverment is looking for ways to earn some extra money...

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I've already asked Fauzi to look into this, he always have dealings with the Agriculture Department. Let's wait and see what he'll find out.

Anyone that have business selling neps in Malaysia should find out what is really going on because nep cultivation in Malaysia as a hobby will be seriously impacted due to this act. :thumbdown:

I will move this thread to the main nep forum as this topic is related to nepenthes and it's something we should be seriously looking into. Thanks to cbkhoon for bringing this matter to everyone's attention. Thanks. :1thumbup:

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Gotta find a way to stop the government! Or else this hobby will suffer from that act.

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hope to hear some good news... eg.

if we really need to apply permit to own or cultivate, i hope that there can be a better way for us instead of paying $$$ yearly.

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things come out from gov is always equal to bull ****, RM 4 for a piece of RM 0.40 curry puff seems to be not enough for these morons, still looking for trouble here and there, so now what, plants from cites need to be registered and most likely need to pay for some paperwork and **** like that huh? Should looks into what they have done or what happens to the Alam Sekitar Department before making some ****ty statement here and there, if it wasn't their retarded decision and corruption, there won't be so many species of flora and fauna get into Cites or extinction list, so now they try to blame us for what they have done or what, it's totally accusation to those who cares bout Nep or other Cites plant. By the way, which species is on or not on the Cites list?

Now they order this, then later they continue to collect more under table money and allow illegal deforestation, more nep gone into Cites and more money into their F*** Up Pocket? Do they even make this bull **** policy public or keep it secret till we see bunch of people get caught without knowing what happens on the news?

If I were to end up being forced to pay them for permission to keep Nep, I rather hire sniper to feed who ever comes mess with me with sweet bullets

Just my 2 cents...

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Great. It's going to be one hell of a trouble to have such a permit thing! Our government better have a miraculous excuse for this, otherwise no one is going to accept it at all, it's too restricting! :(

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i wonder whetjer orchid & ferns will fall into same case or not, more ppl will jump on this

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If they mean anything classified in the vulnerable list, it most probably means ANY type of plant species. Plus, our government has the tendency to include everything in one go to save trouble from trying to specify which plant must have the permit and which does not.

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Hope I can still grow them. i spent so much money on them!

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Yeah...agree, something but just wasting peoples-hard-earn-money!!!!! LOLX

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Guys and Gals,
Please try to remain calm. We are asking relevant ppl to find out more details. Until then, please watch what you post on this forum as this is a public forum and we don't want to give reasons for the goverment to shut it down... do we?? :glare: If that happend, it'll be really bad for all of us. :sweating:

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from the form I see from the link in the pdf, it looks more like for business purposes rather than for keeping, let's hope it's not going to effect any of us

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this is really bad...i hope Fauzi will come up with something....i can't afford to pay money for collecting them..this is ridiculous..no sense at all!!

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What were the government thinking!!

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Then all my pocket money will be going to the permit :(

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any update on this ?

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Ill be watching this thread closely.... from what I understand so far by
reading the thread is that your Govt is requiring you to furnish permits for
each plant you have.... wow that's going to be difficult to enforce.

I hope that you'll be able to clarify things up before it gets out of control.
This is going to kill the hobby if this push thru.

I hope that our Govt wont do something similar to this.

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Yeah...this literraly SUCKS if it's true

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Yikes!! Just notied this thread.. Well, the Act doesn't actually specifically say which species that actually requires permits (spesies tumbuhan daratan terjadual) and there is no list for us hobbyists to refer to. BTW, I will have to assume that hybrids are excluded..? Does anyone know how much the permit costs?

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Hope it's only Rafflesia and Ultra-rare crzy almost extinct plants, but that can never be true. Why?? Why!!! I want to grow Nepenthes!!

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Yea....but I don't think anyone found a way to grow Rafflesia yet

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i see the form mentioned import and export only. where does it said growers required permit?

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Actually, it stated quite clearly in second and third paragraph on import OR export OR in possesion/cultivation, so it's pretty clear.

This akta covers whatever species listed in CITES. That also means a lot of orchid species and not only about neps...

Fauzi is in the process of asking Agriculture Department this week, let's wait what he will find out.

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is fauna included in this "Holy" Act?

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Dunno...

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If all CITES are included, including flora and fauna, exotic pet lovers, carnivorous plants lovers and orchid growers must unite to complain!

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Then we go on strike!!:tongue::biggrin:

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Hi everybody,

I've visited the Jab.Pertanian, Jln Sultan Salahuddin yesterday with the attention to get some information pertaining to the AKTA 686. I was told that a special meeting with the importer and exporter of flora and fauna for the Wilayah Persekutuan and Selangor will be held on 13th May 2010. By then the matter pertaining to this AKTA will be finalised by the relevant authorities.

The AKTA is actually to control the import and export of the flora and fauna under CITES Convention. As part of the convention members Malaysia will have to abide by the rules and regulation pertaining to international trade of flora and fauna. You can read further on CITES in their website www.cites.org

The AKTA 686 can be found at this site :
http://www.digitalibrary.my/dmdocume..._act%20686.pdf

I have been told that owner of plants under CITES will need some sort of "Surat Kebenaran" - maybe not to the extend of permit with yearly renewal of which need to be applied from Jabatan Pertanian nearest to their place housing the plants.

I don't think that they are targeting the hobbiest here,as they will not have the manpower to enforce the AKTA. Please remember that Sabah (Wildlife Conservation Enactment 1997) and Sarawak (Wildlife Protection Ordinance 1998 to be read together with Sarawak Wildlife protection Rules 1998) is already in effect and in both states permit are required to cultivate this plants. It has not been enforced until now on hobbiest but some people trying to smuggle out the plants or plants part has been arrested and jailed.

I'll get more information after the meeting on 13th May 2010. Once I've got more information I'll post it here.

Thanks

Fauzi

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Fauzi, thanx for yours reply and really hope that it will not affect our hobby... Waiting for good news...

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Agreed. Hope it doesn't target hobbiest.

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TQ to fauzi for the info... waiting for good news

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Thanks En.Fauzi...Then we must register Vfts also right?

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They are doing it to try and put the kibosh on ppl stealing from the wild and from plants spreading outside there natural habitat/island or what ever, since they are endangered. Thats too bad that it was only done to you guys...but like i said, its a step to put a stop to those who have no respect for nepenthes,CP’s in general. In all actuality it sounds like there still might be a chance for the casual collector(you) to slide under this wall;at least,i hope all goes good for you all, just keep on pluggin away and do what ya do best ;) CP’s

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any news ? update on this ?

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As what I Can understand from Fauzi, let's just say the akta will be implemented but this akta is more focus on protected animals (fauna) rather than flora as even the internal departmental bodies still have no idea how to implement and enforce the akta on flora species. If you're doing import/export, than you definately need register with the department. So far nothing much on private collector regarding any permit.

I think it's better for Fauzi to explain it in more details.

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That's good to hear, since I'm not rearing some endangered tiger or something! Let's hope flora are not affected!

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would like to ask for some help regarding the akta, but out of the box, I need some information on parosphromenus and betta as I know quite a number of them is under the list of critically endangered or at least at the level of being threaten, is it ok for any of those hobbyist who are dealing with this akta thingy help to find out a bit more on these, thanks:smile:

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from today's newspaper..NST :mad:

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/x...raceperiod.jpg

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The newspaper article mentions exotic plants under CITES too.. Seems like registration has to be done with the Agriculture department..

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Ouch RM100 ，000

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All of us must do something before something bad happen!:spinning: