raff squat var alata
 

very happy to see 2 of mine developed, as they matured will developed into long ribbon tendril. pics will do the explanation*biggrin2*

1
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...u/DSCN5019.jpg

tendril width
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...u/DSCN5021.jpg

2/
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...u/DSCN5024.jpg

tendril width
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...u/DSCN5022.jpg

Re: raff squat var alata
 

Very cool Robert! I just noticed a few different raff varieties of mine are starting to develop wider tendrils too! I need to learn more about this phenomenon; is it variety specific, a weird gene, some strange mutation, a lucky fluke? All - Please post any (accurate) info you know about this! If you have a known variety that has this type of tendril please post a picture and the name! I'll try to shoot/post mine in a day or two.

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That's a pretty nice one, Robert. Hope mine will get ribbon tendril soon.*biggrin2*

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Woh Robert!!! Beautiful!!!! Nice....Looks like a the "winged" mirabilis

Ken

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Beautiful raff. The colour looks similar to 1 of my raff.

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Will like to share mine, this raff alata even got frilled tendril:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...t/DSC00602.jpg

Ed

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Nice tendril!!!

Re: raff squat var alata
 

shawn, it was a raff varieties differentiated from ordinary raff.with their frilled tendrils. The pitchers take the form of giant, squat or typical type and pitcher's colours also varied from nivea, fleckled to tricolour. Their population are sparsely distributed.

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THANKS, I STILL HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SHOOT ANY PICTURES YET. Whoops! Robert, have you come across any of these out in the wild on your trips? I'm wondering if its every plant in a colony or just scattered individuals amongst a majority of 'normals'?

Re: raff squat var alata
 

shawn,they can occured in colony of their own or in areas where the typical raffs and other lowlanders occur - ampullaria, mirabilis,albormarginata, gracilis, and common hybrids.

some examples in the wild

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...u/DSC_8339.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...u/DSCN1643.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...u/DSCN1644.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...u/DSC_8292.jpg

due to the timing of flowering period hybrids among raff., var alata is not common but one potential and common candidate does occur when they are found nearby ie amp, thus we have the hookeriana var alata

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...u/DSCN1626.jpg

Imagination runs wild after seeing the hook., var alata. Lying somewhere,i'm very positive, there must be the rare red hook var alata or hot lips hook., alata form, or whatever possible hybrids formed from them. To locate and chance upon them need a wider search and investigate every single plant that came across.

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Wow, nice pics!!

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Wow, thanks Robert for the explainations...now I've got more questions for you! :crying: I'm not clear yet on the 'alata' significance; does the 'alata' name therefore imply that it has this 'winged' tendril or is it just some alatas that have this form?

I'm really surprised that there have not been a whole range of unique hybrids made with these. Perhaps it doesn't cross over that well (recessive gene?). I'd love to see a 'tri-color' hookeriana with that trait or even some of the bright red amps crossed with this, but I don't seem to recall ever seeing one. Someone will no doubt post a picture of one here soon! (How's that for a challenge?)*biggrin2*

~Shawn

Re: raff squat var alata
 

shawn, "alata" was name specially for any neps.,group that bear the winged tendril. Raff., var alata was a specific group.

TC and improved method of propagation and plant management offered the best chance for such unique hybrid.

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Well, after having another look at my plants I'm not so optimistic! While the tendrils are getting wider they are nothing like yours... I guess I'll just have to hope for the best. A month ago the tendrils were just normal, round, everyday types but they seem to be widening as time passes.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...p_IMG_2610.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...p_IMG_2615.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...p_IMG_2609.jpg

:crying:

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wait and see,shawn. some plants developed the dinstinct frilled tendril at a very early stage, while some takes a while, as in your case, first the flatten tendril and as it aged becoming frilled.

Observance in the wild shows that within the same plant the frilled tendril developed at different stage, that mean to say one pitcher may have an awesome frilled tendril while another only shows the flatten ones. Could this be due to environmental changes, or could it be the gene within the plant...etc ... so much question still unanswer for this group of unique plants:spinning: