Some nepenthes that grows reasonable well in burnt soil
 

Just to share some nepenthes that does ok in burnt soil, grown under lowland condition.

N. rafflesiana

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...raffinsoil.jpg


N. eustachya

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...chyinsoil2.jpg

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...achyinsoil.jpg


N. truncata (lowland)

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...catainsoil.jpg


N. spectabilis - old pitcher bout 12 cm (only managed to snap photo when the pitcher started senescence.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...lowlandupp.jpg


Rosette pitcher of N. spectabilis (scorched because it receives full day sun!)

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...wlandlower.jpg


And the bugger even flowered before- it is a dried up male inflorescence.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...ectlowland.jpg


Raff and truncata are in 98% burnt soil plus 2% cocopeat (as a sorry excuse to increase humidity)

The rest are a mixture of lecaton of various sizes and burnt soil to achieve a porous mix.

Fauzi, how's ur spectabilis doing? The bical that I got from u also started to pitcher after i changed to burnt soil. It was sulking and only growing leaves like a palm tree before cos I have been very lazy to change the perlite mix :tongue:

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Nice plants and thanx for sharing;)

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Nice plants.

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Thanks. Those are plants in my parent's place in Penang. Besides those, sanguinea, rajah, campanulata, ventricosa, reinwardtiana and ventrata also grows fine in burnt soil. Small rajah can produce 2.5 cm pitcher with red colouration.

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Nice neps poweramps

Ken

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Thanks Ken. I do the potting but it is my mum who takes care and pamper the plants.

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Hi All,

Thanks for sharing the photos of your plants Poweramp. They look gorgeous...glad they have someone as caring as you.... although under burnt soil. As long as they pitcher, that mean they appreaciate what you are giving them

My N.spectabilis is forming a nice new leaf and hopefully I could have a decent pitcher from it. I've change the media from Florafoam to shreaded coconut chip a month ago and put them nicely under my big bicalcarata.
They seems to like the media and started producing new shoots and the first leaf produce is bigger almost 2 times than the previous one under florafoam. My large N.rajah also started to produce new shoot after a month in the coconut chip. If I got a decent pitcher later I'll post it here, otherwise I'll have to do some more experiment....


Thanks

Fauzi

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You've got a huge rafflesiana pitcher there. Seems liek more and more growers are reporting very good results with burnt soil on their neps. I think it's time for me to experiment with it too. Thanks for sharing poweramps.

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Thanks David. I sieve and wash the burnt soil. Those that we get from Sg Buloh tend to have too much dust. And I wash for many many rounds with tap water to flush salts out.

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Hi Poweramps

I didn't know we can get burnt soil from sungai buloh what are they called again and where can you get it in Sg Buloh???Do most of the nurseries have them??

Ken

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Wow....ur CPs grow very well and healthy...:1thumbup:
Thanks for sharing...:smile:

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Hi Ken, I used to go there before they started moving, and pop into those nurseries asking them for red burnt soil (hong shao ni) and they will tell you how much per bag. When u ask for the ones that are less powdery, they look at you funnily cos they assume ppl want to grow plants hence it shouldn't be gritty. But I can never find those like Cindy's over here - ie chunky and in huge lumps. Here they already 'pre-bashed' the baked clay into tiny pieces. So sieving and washing can cost you 1/3 to half a bag of soil and a trail of red clay down your yard!

Thanks harlem. Just trying out a different way to grow them.

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Here are pics of the soil and of my long suffering bical before I repotted it into burnt soil - I didn't sieve that extensively so that the soil can hold more water.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...amps/bical.jpg

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...s/bicalpot.jpg


And a sanguinea in burnt soil grown in an orchid pot in lowland Penang weather - pitchers average 9-10 cm from bottom of pitcher to the lid insertion point on the peristome (not counting the lid height). Another plant in Kajang gives me better pitchers but up to 12cm only.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d.../sanguinea.jpg

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Hi Poweramps

Hmm yeah i realised too that they started moving some of them said they move further down or something like that.So this soil thing must be sieved and wahsed or run through with water or something?? and is it low in nutrients which all neps want??I wanna get some of these to because i don't just wanna use LFS on all my neps i wanna try out something new.Normally hw much you buy per bag and how big is one bag or packet??So now where you get the burnt soil??

Anyways nice neps i like the bical doesn't look like it was suffering at all.Highland neps in LL conditions produce smaller pitchers generally speaking although some can take it or acclimate to it.

Ken

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I get a bag at one ringgit, though prices might have changed. Yeah, I flush it with a lot of water to flush out the salts so that the soil becomes leached of nutrients. Kinda wasting water. But the overall cost is not as high as using LFS and it lasts longer. But watering schedule will be more frequent.

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I might be wrong but these burn soil looks something similer to kledang hill red sand/soil.Neps are growing well on them.I think the rain probably washed the minerals on top of that soil cause it has been exposed to rain for a long time.Anybody tried the kledang soil on neps?

kentosaurs:you can acctually get those burn soil in most nursery.Usually around rm2 but in sg.buluh or kota damansara its rm1 only.Its just clay soil burn with some wood and sand.Thats why you can see the charcoals.People use it for normal plants.

Probably the burnt soil gives more air to the roots.Moss usually become compact after sometime and this means less air for the roots.

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Hi Poweramps

Thanks for those infoes.Well LFS is difinitly much more expensive than one bag of red soil if my assumtion of its quantity in a bag is right.I buy normally RM 4 per packet of LFS but its much easier for me because i don't really have to flush down any sort of salt.

Hi Alienfx

Thanks well charcoal well you can get it almost everywhere

Ken

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Thanks for sharing the info, poweramps. Looks like the "miracle soil" can work wonders !! I have good result using it on N. boschiana as well, the plant acclimatize to it's new condition after 2 weeks by sending new shoot with pitcher.

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Burnt soil is partly fused/baked red earth that you get around Malaysia. Looks like it is working for a lot of Nepenthes. Thanks cpnut.

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How do you ask the nursery guys in Malay??
I asked them today and they don't know what is that!

Thanx!

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Hmm, never thought of that before. Tanah bakar merah? or Tanah merah bakar. Hukum DM-should be Tanah bakar merah?? Anyone???

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Tanah bakar perisa BBQ..just joking. Tanah merah bakar?? Tanah hangit just kidding. Tanah merah?? Lumpuh bakar??

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Kami tak lumpuhlaaaaaa, Aaron......:laugh::laugh: its tanah merah bakar. tanah merah is the 'diterangkan' while bakar is the 'menerangkan'.

Oooohhhh, thanks for the awesome thread, powersensor, its really helpful. I plan to get a bicalcarata from fauzi, thanks for the info.

Kenapalah ini.........:tongue:

Cheers

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Argh, saya salah, maafkan saya kerana panggil kamu 'powersensor', poweramps.

Sorry:laugh:

Cheers

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Hahaha, it is ok. The bical, like i mentioned, contained more fine particles. Don't want the plant to dry out too fast, lol.

Just realised that tanah bakar merah is a double compound word. Tanah diterangkan oleh bakar menjadi kata nama = tanah bakar yg diterang oleh merah

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Now i know there's some Malay expersts here.
I was asking the Indonesia lady who is working there and she don't what is it.
Thanx guys for helping.
Do i have to wash the whole soil with water again and again or i can see any difference showing that it's enough!

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I wash until the water running out of the colander doesn't appear reddish with silt. The soil will then smell less of the burnt smell.

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Ok thanx Poweramps.
One more thing regarding your name.is it power ampullaria?

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Wow, very intuitive thinking. It is kinda due to this pic
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...s/IMG_0140.jpg


and this one (a heavily red spotted one frm G. Ledang) that used to grow across the garden and circumbulated the mango tree before climbing up to the height of a double storey house. Most of the vines were thrown away when the tree was chopped down.
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...nungledang.jpg

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I thoguht so you might have some flash back like that poweramps!
Love the speckled form.mine is green with purple flecking but yours is purple with green fleckings!Just wonderful though;):)

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Wah.. really POWER man... errr amp i mean... :laugh:

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Thanks. Never thought of that one, cpnut. Alas, the speckled red fella is left with a few shoots here and there on the ground when my parents chopped the mango tree and build a roofing over the garden. The green one is still going and going and going like Energizer bunny hehehe

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I have all my Neps grown in burnt soil too. Clay soil also works wonders particularly for raffs that refuse to pitcher. All other media mixes have not worked well for them although now only my bical is still refusing to pitcher. I wonder why :confused:

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Hi

So far i've used LFS and perlite for my raffs and recently trying on peat moss....and all seem fine.....For my bical its in 100% LFS and at last after 4 months its on its way to make its first pitcher......I don't expect any size on it but well as long as the fangs are there

Ken

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As far as I know, bicalcarata and ampullaria grows in peat bogs that are high in acidity. Therefore, I think that they are more suitable to be grown in sphagnum or peat moss.

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