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phangst 1st September 2009 10:19 PM

my 1st Bicalcarata upper pitcher
 
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after 5 years, finally this is my 1st upper pitcher

David 2nd September 2009 09:55 AM

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That is a beautiful upper pitcher. Thanks for sharing. How long is the vine when it grew this upper pitcher?

NepNut 2nd September 2009 01:59 PM

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Wow... after 5 years !?! Congrats !! :1thumbup:

I wonder how long I have to wait to see my N. ampullaria produce upper pitcher?? *biggrin2**biggrin2*

sooxiwei 2nd September 2009 02:36 PM

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that's crazily cool...

TranMinh 2nd September 2009 03:03 PM

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Nice pitcher, heehee must take about 2 or 3 years for upper.

marvin1997 2nd September 2009 06:18 PM

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WOW!Never seen a bical upper before!Should post it in the nep section

sooxiwei 2nd September 2009 09:04 PM

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what exactly is this upper pitcher about?:spinning:
looks cool but dun understand what really happen...

marvin1997 3rd September 2009 06:28 PM

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It means you're a good grower?

caseyhoo 3rd September 2009 10:13 PM

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Lets a newbie, me answer the question raised here.

Most of nepenthes will produce lower and upper. When the plant is small, all of them are lower pitcher. And most of time, it is fatter and produced at lower level. When the plant grow tall untill certain stage, it will produce intermedia pitcher then upper pitcher. Upper pitcher will be slim, thin.

Some nepenthes upper and lower pitcher will looks totally difference, most well known N. rafflensiana is 1 of it.

What mentioned above only happen after few years and the plant is growing in nice and good environment.

BTW, that is nice upper pitcher. But, I still prefer lower pitcher. MAy I know how tall and how big the is the plant? How long is the leaf?

I had seen Fauzi N. bicalcarata that is huge and it is higher then 1 floor... The plant with him for 8years+

sooxiwei 4th September 2009 01:30 AM

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oic, thanks kc for the info, is intermedia pitcher different from lower and upper pitcher too??? tq

David 4th September 2009 10:03 AM

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Intermedia pitchers looks like half of a lower and upper pitcher. It is when the plant is starting to change its pitchers to upper pitchers.

Just to add on what casey said... As the plant vines, the stems cannot hold the weight of the more globose lower pitchers with the digestive fluids in the pitchers. Even if its tendrils manage to grab hold of something or other plants around it, when there is a strong wind the digestive fluids will be shaken out and the weight of the pitchers (if it were lower pitchers on upper vines) will swing and break the main vine . As such they need to produce more slender and lighter pitchers.

Some experts say upper pitchers are also shaped to catch a different set of insect such as flying insects as compared to lower pitchers that catches mostly crawling insects. That's why you will notice that lower pitchers have "ladders" while upper pitchers do not have them. The ladders are located infront of the pitcher and look like spikes. It helps crawling insects climb up the pitcher.

For some species like ampullaria, the upper pitchers are not functional, meaning it is not able to capture and digest insects. It also does not look like pitchers.

hosh 4th September 2009 12:30 PM

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Lovely pitcher with the fangs. Biclarata on my wish list still. Have a small viking x biclarata growing nicely with tiny pitchers half cm. size. Will full grown pitchers of this hybrid have fangs too? Cheers, hosh

NepNut 4th September 2009 01:47 PM

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Off topic : To add to what David said, besides from the morphology difference between the lower, intermediate and upper pitcher, the digestive fluid also might be different depending on the species of Nepenthes. For example, the viscosity of the digestive fluid for N. rafflesiana's upper pitcher will tends to be sticky glue/gooie like substance to avoid being spill out from the pitcher in a windy day, lower pitcher usually stay put/rest on the ground hence the digestive fluid in the lower pitcher tends to be very fluid and watery.

hosh,
this hybrid usually have signs of vestigel fang of N. bicalcarata but if it's a seed grown plant, you might never know...

hosh 4th September 2009 08:29 PM

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Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpnut (Post 20191)

this hybrid usually have signs of vestigel fang of N. bicalcarata but if it's a seed grown plant, you might never know...


shamrock 4th September 2009 09:13 PM

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that pitcher looks so artistic! thanks for sharing. my bical is just a baby so i've got to wait for many, many years to see anything like that.

Robert 5th September 2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sooxiwei (Post 20140)
what exactly is this upper pitcher about?:spinning:
looks cool but dun understand what really happen...

beside pitcher's shapes another characteristic to note was the position of tendril.

lower - tendril infront the pitcher.
intermediate- infront or by the side
upper- tendril formed behind

phangst 6th September 2009 01:32 AM

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This plant about 5-6 feet tall, it has been a year not produce pitcher after 2 time flower. the upper pitch leaf is about 14 inch long, half size of the previous lower pitch leaf.

sooxiwei 6th September 2009 02:54 PM

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wow, thanks for all the explanation, I'm addicted to such interesting stuff now...cann't wait to get home and wait for phangst package*biggrin2*

marvin1997 17th September 2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert (Post 20229)
beside pitcher's shapes another characteristic to note was the position of tendril.

lower - tendril infront the pitcher.
intermediate- infront or by the side
upper- tendril formed behind

lower(the lid facing inside?or outside?):
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kentosaurs 17th September 2009 07:48 PM

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Hi Marvin....What you typed out is something like a lower

marvin1997 18th September 2009 11:48 PM

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k thanks!

marvin1997 22nd September 2009 10:34 AM

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Intermedia Apple pitcher?only one in the whole plant.
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