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Oh, kids is protecting persons who give candies!!!.

how great when you steal some pics. private and post public to discuss about this??
it's great with you by you have some target to keep talking. it's really fun. you're talkactive, no more no less
normally, I'm not free time as sb in this room b/c i very busy with my comapany, less time as you. but now i feel free to talk with you cause i have a free times (it's lunar new year)
I know mr.Charles - he is admin in famous site and i propect him.
If person who talk with me is mr.Charles, maybe you get some pics. great about true thorie, but i don't know appearence of him
Do you know who is a person take mr.Francois to find out.... really funny - and you know only about him said (do you know about this trip, no get anythings excepted some CPs plant survice after a person who take him around n around exploite exhaustion).
next times, pls keep silent if you can not get details
pls shut up
thks you

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I guess we know who dug the plants up.

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Well you have the authority to remove the picture BUT... WE WILL remember what you have done
You say that you're trying to protect them. Then we can't say much because we might be mistaken.If you're trying to protect them why do poachers still get their hands on the plants?Hmm?How would they know where to search?
Next you say "Maybe mr.Francois is idol with sb, but with his action to me on this forum and other forums - i disdain" well what action was it? You didn't say anything then you try to deny everything. Mr.Francois is talking about conservation. If you and him have the same goal --- saving the thorelii , why wouldn't you help him? Because you suspect him right? Why don't you just show him your two thorelii at home?

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Let me ask your question, you have a best best best friend. When he get trouble do you protect and help him or just left him a long ?. Lol, your thinking is shallow " Kid are silly or something ect ?". Also you are not my boss, do you think to blame at the true what people say is good ?. Do you think you do that can stop us talk about you ?. It just get more and more worst as you started to ague back. From now can you change your mind about other people the way thinking you are the king of the land or comtenpt someone. What I'm did now is the same like you, do you feel angry or more than that ?. Think about this more and more, also stop the cheeky smile to blame at people.

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This is SO wrong on SO many levels that it isn't even funny; it's SO sad and tragic as well. Obviously there are language and cultural barriers to overcome; but the fact is that an entire population of plants that haven't been seen for nearly a hundred years have been ripped and raped right out of their natural habitat, roots and all, from the only known location where they once existed which is beyond words to describe the crime, the offense and the atrocities that this really is. Other criminals (Yes, this is indeed a serious crime!) are also upset at having their photos displayed in public, such as "Wanted Posters" with details of their crimes against Mother Nature, Humanity and all; it's very embarrassing, and exposes the truth as it is. Criminals like these don't like these truths to be exposed. Well, TOO BAD! - Rich

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To brother CP enthusiasts in Vietnam, I would like to explain that you should not look at Mr.Francois and Mr. Charles like bad men, they are surely not trying to steal your plants or poach them. They want to study and record their existence. Here in Philippines people like them are helping the world know more about Nepenthes, and they are the ones that usually find new species. They usually protect the site they find because they do not want poachers to find them and collect them. I am friends with one of them who is now staying in Philippines, he surely is out to protect these plants that they find.

Sometimes they talk to collectors or sellers of Nepenthes in the country they are searching, because these people know where to start looking or maybe even knows where to find because those people sometimes poach also. That does not mean they are working with them! They are just doing research and investigation. Maybe you are thinking because they are friendly to these sellers that they might tell the location to them... if that is the case, make them swear or promise that the location be kept secret from others. They will understand. As someone said, if you helped them and they publish their research, your names will surely be included, you will be world famous!!!

We have a young Vietnamese member here in the forum who has all the right attitude towards CPs in Vietnam, there seems to be no law against Nepenthes collection there, or that the locality is not protected at all, so people can take the nepenthes without breaking the law. However it is still wrong to take all the plants, if you want to make business out of it, it is better not to take all but only some. It is like you go to business selling chickens but you sell all your chickens at once, so you do not have anymore chickens to lay eggs to make more chickens.

I have NO idea what is the basis for saying that the team had no legal rights to study. Why? Is there a law in Vietnam against Studying? In fact the gentlemen can also be just tourist looking at countryside?

To our Young Vietnamese CP friends. Please keep in mind that although the Nepenthes in Vietnam are your's and your country's... please think of us in other countries as well, we love Nepenthes all over the world, if you help collect them from the wild, they might go extinct and everyone will lose. Please don't just think about maybe making money or for your private collection, please think of the rest of the world and CP enthusiasts.

Happy year of the Tiger everyone!
Arvin

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Hi Arvin,
Thank for the reply, I really like it ( no joke ). We all love CPs, there is people doing research about nepenthes species for hobby, not for money. I believe that is true, that why I want to help Francois. But in this case they think that Francois is going to digging up the plants ?!?!, this was a huge misunderstood. But after all everything we have talk about, he still not changing, a conservative mind.

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@Arvin: i'm really appreciate yr comment. I agree with all yr comment and VN community is that, not right distort fr sb. above as well.
@rsivertsen+marvin1997+...: you see everythings by one eye, listen by one ear and talkactive by mouths. all of you are kids like candy. PLs don't touch us. we ate candy as like you.
finally, I want say again and then no answer fr me (by no arguments with kids like candy)
- I dug 2 CPs. it's right and i'm not disclaim. I'm not proud of self, too.
- I'm not "still" dig as sb told.I have 2 CPs fr wild to clone.and then, they still alive - 1 for me n 1 for my friend. it's conclusion provoke.
- I'm prespect mr.Chales, not mr.Francois, who bring mistakes for all this room by judge one-side and make we're fighting.(and really worse when use again old pics. steal fr my privated to persuadable everyone believe his said)
- I'm sure that true thorie still safe with me. when I have chance, I will show some update to all enjoy asap.
if you get prespected fr sb - you should prespect them, first. You didn't get minimum.
I will choose keep silent cause I know I can not say reasonings with kids like candy.
and next 3 months, I will give some seeds fr my CPs as pics. (but i'm not sure - i will try to give who really love CPs)

thks for sb uphold me also VN community - I'm really grateful for you

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Kai, anh chua tung noi chyen voi em, em dang noi gi the ?
mat du anh chua gap em, nhung anh biet em la ai va anh cung khong muon gay han gi voi em nen de nghi em giup nguoi VN dung bi lu suc vat ben nuoc ngoai bia dat chuyen roi chui chung ta la khong van minh

em hieu anh noi gi chu?!!
anyway, anh se bao ve cong dong Viet den cung neu bon cho nuoc ngoai cu ngu si nghe loi thang francois kieu do

thks em da thanh minh dum nguoi Viet, nhung anh khong dong y khi em dong y voi ho rang chung ta co thoi quen nho cay trong rung - ai lai vach ao cho nguoi xem lung nhu the

de nghi em nen ho tro 100% cho nguoi Viet - not cho tui nuoc ngoai
thks em

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