burbidgeae x edwardsiana
 

a month ago some of this sabah hybrid were bought from MT and shared among some local growers. we have different growing conds. some were given cold night with air-cond+ high humidity, while mine was placed on windowsill with all day natural filtered sunlight. water was discreet with few drops of water to ensure media was moist ( never wet ). There was a pitcher on arrival and was doing fine till today. Also noted it had increase in size.

If you have this interesting hybrid please post your plant and growing conds.

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Re: edwardsiana x burbidgeae
 

I have this one too. It grows well but hasn't produced a decent new pitcher yet. I grow in a 'terrarium' (a 4 x 2ft aquarium turned on its side) with drosera adalae, begonias, amp and sanguinea. Sanguinea and amp are doing fine but this one just doesn't pitcher. Let me know if yours does.. :)

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Hey, quite a lot of people bought this plant from Eric last year and recently also.

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Wow.......Handsome plant!!

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Shame to say, I'm still trying to get mine to pitcher after 5 months... :shy:

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oook...I was thinking whether to get this hybrid or a northiana and looking at all these experience growers having some trouble with it..I guess i will stick to the harder lowlanders..

Ken

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well ken i understand it may struggle with lowland conds, but i'm providing the best cool natural conds. so far the pitcher arrived with the plant still look fresh and healthy.

Re: edwardsiana x burbidgeae
 

Robert i believe you have the hybrid backwards, its burbidgeae x edwardsiana.
i just got one a week ago or so...its taken off rather quick.
I grow mine as an ultrahighlander, its actually planted in a peat pot, slack potted into a larger plastic pot since the peat pot started to split.
the media is lfs/orchid bark/peat/perlite/sand/osmunda fiber with a top dressing of orchid bark to give it a nice look. Can't wait for it to produce its first pitcher in MY conditions. this plant sure is a winner ;)

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...5-16-09019.jpg
Here is the current opened pitcher on it
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...5-16-09028.jpg
Another one inflating
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...5-16-09026.jpg

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Interesting to hear that Robert, glad to know that it wont mind me keeping it indoors this year rather than going out into the greenhouse, just dont wanna risk losing this little beauty of a plant....wasnt too easy to get ahold of here in the US lol...

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Ken- i would get this hybrid over a northiana any day.
hell i want MORE of this hybrid
its freaking gorgeous....and very hardy to boot.
Been a couple weeks with this one now i think, its inflating a pitcher, and the pitcher it came with is still up and is even drooling. My conditions are no longer ultrahighland indoors since summer is getting closer, but that will change once it goes outside. I can now only provide highland - intermediate conditions indoors. Once the greenhouse is finished, back into highland-ultrahighland conditions for these babies.
Robert, has yours proven to be a steady grower? mine has so far...
hoping to see a pitcher on this next leaf as well....
how large is yours in your photograph? cant really tell but that pitcher is absolutely stunning. This hybrid has some serious beauty to it, even if it is possibly burbidgeae x villosa or burbidgeae x xHarryana......Hopefully it IS burbidgeae x edwardsiana, but none the less, is a hybrid that is going to go down as one of the most stunning natural hybrids, atleast in my book.

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SirKristoff, hardy in the US is not the same as hardy in the tropics. most growers here are unable to provide highland/ultrahighland conditions without some elaborate kind of set-up. So personally, my recommendation would be to get a northiana instead, as it is a lowlander, although it might take some time to adjust after initial potting.

Re: edwardsiana x burbidgeae
 

paphi if you read what robert said, he is growing his in lowland conditions, so far successfully.

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Hi there, I missed this post for a while! I also picked up a few of these last year, although from another source. They are being subjected to extreme lowland conditions in my shade house at about 50 m. a.s.l. but at least get misted a few times a day. My plants get soaked along with everything else...is there a reason you were inclined to just barley keep them moist? The last pictures I took are from March, but I'll try to get down there and snap a few more if the pitchers are any bigger!
Shawn *biggrin2*
PS After recently seeing the conditions that these two like to grow in naturally, I'm amazed that mine are still alive! :crying:

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Hi Shawn,
What is the fomular of media you use to grow them? I am interested in it but I'm looking for someone who can send it to Japan for me, hehehe.

Cheers,
Pop

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Hi Pop,

Well, I used my 'normal' mix; 4 parts coco cubes/ 1.5 parts pummice (various sizes)/1 part charcoal and sometimes a handful or two of chopped sphagnum. I don't have any special insight into the mix for these guys but after seeing the comment about 'light' watering I'm wondering. I just went down to check and all 3 plants have miserable looking pitchers right now...of course I've been gone for almost 1 month too! But I'll probably switch the mix in at least two of them to a better draining mix.
After seeing the burbidgeae in situ, I'm wondering about the role of the ultramafic soils. The rajah, villosa, and ,I think, the burbidgeae all seemed to inhabit zones where this was the predominant soil type...I wonder how much ultramafic soil is available in Japan? Maybe we could set up a trading Empire! *biggrin2* I'll PM you some other thoughts soon.
~Shawn

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Skt, it was about 4 inches length. I'm eagerly waiting for the next pitcher to form.

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Hi Shawn, do you think the ultramafic soil are fragmented sandstone and clay in nature. At least from my perception , and having visited, those ground where rajah, villosa and burbidgeae look similar as the soil found in most part of Malaysia and Indonesia. Thailand?

I'm now testing to see if highland intermediate neps will do well with coarse clay. Later on will try out with highlander as i don't have any at the moment. I'm positively sure they would but just curious to find out.

Re: burbidgeae x edwardsiana
 

Hmmmm Robert! On the surface they look very similar but I think the mineral/metal content of the soils on Kinabalu where these species were growing were much higher than the 'normal' soils in My and Indo. There's a pretty simplified description in Wikipedia under 'ultramafic soils' that gave me a start but I need to read a lot more to claim any depth of understanding! They discuss plant species 'adapting' to grow in these metal-rich soils where other things can't. All made lots of sense...until I remembered that the plants growing epiphytically on trees and logs looked every bit as healthy as those in the ultramafic soils! So much for that theory!

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Most recent pitcher on mine...this is a bit of an adjustment pitcher, hince the shape...
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Re:burbidgeae x edwardsiana
 

so it's a newly formed pitcher, awaiting to see it colours up as it get elongated and matured.

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I am sure many of you would have known by now when MT first sold this clone, it was under pure burbidgeae. Only when growers found that the pitchers look funny, they began to question MT. Chi'en Lee collected the seeds from a burbidgeae plant but there was an edwardsiana plant in the vincinity. So they concluded that the clone was a hybrid. A nice hybrid, nevertheless.

Anyway, I have a seed grown burbideage and it is having its second pitcher.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...burbid1144.jpg

The pitcher is 5cm tall.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...burbid1140.jpg

And I do hope this is a pure burbideage.

Choong

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Hi Choong,

Nice pitcher there! And thanks for clarifying the story on that hybrid. I have a few of them but had never heard the story behind it.

On the trip with Ch'ien last month we came across some real nice N. burbidgeae growing in Mesilau Valley on Mt. Kinabalu at a little lower altitude than the N. rajah's. Both were growing in the ultramafic soil in very humid conditions (cloud forest) so I'll put up a couple shots for you to show to your plant for hints;
https://forum.petpitcher.net/pict...&pictureid=661

The territory and conditions of N. burbidgeae;
https://forum.petpitcher.net/pict...&pictureid=662

Youngsters;
https://forum.petpitcher.net/pict...&pictureid=663

Mesilau Valley - early morning, before clouds;
https://forum.petpitcher.net/pict...&pictureid=667

Ok now, I'm assuming this is a N. burbidgeae lower pitcher, as it follows in order in my photos, then again it could just as well be something completely different! What do you think?;
https://forum.petpitcher.net/pict...&pictureid=665

And likewise;
https://forum.petpitcher.net/pict...&pictureid=666

Ok Choong, if your plant doubles in size after seeing these shots just put me on the 'cuttings list' for a later date!:biggrin: Hee, Hee, Hee!

Re: burbidgeae x edwardsiana
 

Looks more like burbidgea x fusca or the the other cross..And also shawn where are those 3K pics?? :)

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Thanks Shawn. All I can say is there are stripes on the peristome and the pitcher is spotted. It will be a long long while before the plant or the pitcher will double in size.

Keep in contact.

Choong

Re: edwardsiana x burbidgeae
 

Hi Pop,

Why not try Malesiana?LINK