Re: akta 686 grace period until 31 June 2010
 

register it?er.......but luckily drosera, utric, and drosera not in the list...

Re: akta 686 grace period until 31 June 2010
 

damn! I hope the permit is free.

Re: akta 686 grace period until 31 June 2010
 

i think there will be some charges, the only thing i scare is the process of the application. maybe the process will take weeks or even months to complete... who knows...

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Problem is, we need to apply permit plant by plant? It is impossible, right?

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I don't think that most of the strict law will be implemented in plants. It mentioned mainly pets and animals, though of course, there are punishments for exotic plants. Most probably, plants will have more liability.

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Are they going to search every house for exotic plants and animals? No wonder the government is going bankrupt.

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I would love to hear comments from orchid growers.... their number far outnumber CP growers in Malaysia. I wonder how on earth the officer from Agri Department will be able to tell what is what species.... How about plants fr TC source and/or obtained via cuttings??? How about home made "seed" grown hybrids, there's no regulation/law against man made propogation, right??

This is the headache faced by them.... just too many questions with no answers....

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Nepnut, from an orchid grower's perspective, IMHO it is just ridiculous and difficult to implement.. The trade in wild species is becoming more popular these days, but more and more of these plants are being nursery-grown from seed instead of jungle-collected. I think that the officers, in any, are not trained or qualified to even identify different species correctly, particularly as the taxonomy of many orchids is very confusing. If the government is that really keen to contribute towards conservation, I suggest that they start by restricting excessive logging and selling of endangered (wild-collected) species instead of implementing laws like these which are of little use and exhaustive on manpower... Just my 2 sen..

Re: akta 686 grace period until 31 June 2010
 

Being stupid can be corrected through teaching, but being retard is cure-less, some how we have the latter sitting in the top office, what to do:blush:

Let's hope disaster don't kill our hobby and shall we praise our very retarded one who sit up there as usual:smile:

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its MONDAY dudes.......hahahahaha, we shall wait and see.....am meeting wt an ex Professor from UMT.... see what she will said.*biggrin2*

Re: akta 686 grace period until 31 June 2010
 

It's a stupid law. People must get permit to cultivate them, although deforestation is whats threatening endangered species.

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Yea -.- Think carefully government

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

Dear all,

I had a call from a orchid planter/enthusiast last night. They had a meeting with the agriculture department last week. What they are undergoing has implication on Nepenthes, so I am keeping a close watch.

For now, they have concluded that only species orchids needs to be registered. HOWEVER, the process/procedure on how this gonna implemented is yet to be ironed out. Next meeting is on the 30th of this Month. I'll keep you informed of the outcome. So, wait an see.

FYI, it seems Malaysia is the only country to do this (registering species orchid). Malaysia Boleh! Yeh! We are leading now...

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

Thanks Ban Aik for the info. Seems like Malaysia is always "leading" with all the wrong reasons....

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Thanks Ban Aik. Yah, Boleh buat salah je!

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Ban Aik, thanx for yours afford.

Malaysia practice is setup a rules then only decide how to do implement it. When facing technical problem, and they will said that it is just suggestion and not decide/finalize yet. :mad:

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

No lah malaysia always comes up with open ended rules and regulations so that they can interpret it as they wishes. More options to cari makan mah.

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Yes, I know of public rulings/acts instituted but the enforcers have asked to help them implement as a favour. Buraeucracy has its strength and weakness.

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Oh, just 'great'... And I have over 100 species orchids inn my collection... I'm sure most hobbyists have even more.. If they're going to need a permit for each and every species, I'm going to have to migrate overseas just to keep my collection... How ridiculous is that? :p

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

you can export and hide some to my 'island country'...*biggrin2*

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Such a waste of time and money! They should spend their time catching illegal collectors and loggers instead.

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the biggest impact to the extinction of the plants are thru "deforestration" and this is done always in large scale.. not sure the spelling... illegal colectinng is 2nd..

government shud do something on the first cause but not implementing so called "akta" on hobbylists.

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seems like **** is gonna happen soon, it seems like their flaw rules plus bunch of inefficient department have cause a havoc in the population of plants(environmental dept taking under table "papers" to allow mass burning of forest)

now we are the one who cares bout those species of plants, but we get restriction on helping on the protection just because of some poachers(microscopical minority)

seems like retard never learned, first is sugar permits implemented on small scale sellers in order to "prevent" illegal export(who the hell is so stupid to buy small amount of sugar with high cost after including freight in account...), then a series of crappy laws...why the hell do our government always like the stand on top of the pile of **** and feel so proud of that...retards have no brain...

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I really think we shouldn't be scolding and complaining about the goverment right here in the forum.

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@sooxiwei , Don't be so angry la, take a deep, deep breath...Government try to help only..

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Yah, they try to help....but FAIL because they don't really know the cause of extinction. It's deforestation that's most threatening to the flora and fauna, not a few illegal collectors. And certainly not innocent hobbyist with tissue cultured and man made hybrid plants.

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it indeed is the truth that all of us know since we understand the meaning of deforestation, C'me on, it is really unavoidable for deforestation, it is consider common for village become town, town become city, i suggest that just cool down, and let all of it proceed by it own way, there is nothing we can do, and you know, we might get the possibility get accused for doing something bad and might get arrested for what we say...

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I suggest we wait and see what happens. What the agriculture department is trying to protect is teh unique species of plants we have in as our heritage. Yes deforestation is a big issue nowadays but remember the government is also trying their best to cope with that issue. Remember the Paphiopedilum rothschildianum theft from Sabah many years ago. That is what they are trying to prevent.

Maybe petpitcher members can connerstone in implement "legalising" Nep. I have no idea but it will be good if we can become a registrar. I really don't know how the agriculture Department is gonna implement this but we have to be prepared to coorperate to facilitate. Maybe there is a morotorium free registration period. Don't worry nursery man like Fauzi and Eric should be more worried. For now, we enjoy our hobby and wait and see what happens.

When it comes to enviromental issue and the present topic is Deforestation. We all of us can reduce our use for wood, that is a good start already. The EU is already banning all uncertified wood from South America and Asia, that is a government initiative. Remember this when you print the next piece of of document, though much of is is recycled some are still virgin pulp- can be planted or from virgin jungle. Or the peat moss/sphagnum moss we all use, have you though where they come from? Whether or not the harvesting is sustainable?

So, Think Again!

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Talking about environmental issues... the biggest driving force to open up jungles now a days are oil palm industries. The same thing is happening all over South East Asia including Malaysia even in Johor. I have witness (regretted didn't take a pic) the whole country side cleared away to plant oil palms. When there's big $$$, everything else is out of the window.... :thumbdown:

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Not to mentioned the thousands of acres lost everyday in Brazil fro cattle and soy bean planting. In terms of diversity lost, I recon the communist party in malaysia played a major role in delaying the opening up of forest in Kelantan, Pahang, Nothern Perak and sourthern part of the main range. Alas! PKM has to fall for the wrongs they committed.

Robert, you want pictures? Just goto plantation company websites, they will have some or wwf website.

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

Yah, oil palm plantation does that all the time. But my mom works in an oil palm company so I shouldn't really complain.

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Malaysians shouldn't really complain about the oil palm industry as it has brought the country bank an running on 2 occassions earning much need foreign exchange then and is still is one of our major exports. However, it also damages the enviroment when opening new land.

Anyway, think we all can agree to leave this thread discussion about the Act. If someone has an urge to pursue enviromental issue, I recon a new thread is should be in.

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

More news. The orchid people has reached a settlement with the agriculture department.

There will be forms available to register our plants. However, they are yet to finalise the format of the form. The registered plants together with details of owners will go into DOA's (department of agriculture).

The Act aims to register the diversity of plants we have in Malaysia, as in create a database. So if there is a need for a certain plant, they would know where to find it. As to origin of plants, one can easily say "from my grandfather's collection" or purchased from Wistuba or Maleisiana tropical.

I would reiterate, there is no need to fret over this Act.

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I have a bad feeling. Does the form need....money??

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

We'll work something out among us.

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

the registratoin is per plant basis or per species basis ? wat if i got thousands of seedlings ? :spinning:

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Like I said, there is some sort of framework but still cannot examine with microscope.

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

hw are they going to know that we have Nepenthes?

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

The akta isn't really working here, and that's good! The nurseries are all still selling neps.

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

Any recent news? It has been few month already....

Re: akta 686 grace period until 30 June 2010
 

is this really gonna happen?