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Richard Hole 6th November 2009 09:26 PM

Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Hi


For Nepenthes cuttings with 3 nodes, would it be a good idea to have two nodes below the ground and only one node just above ground level? For the nodes below the ground I would cut the leaves of and also slice some of the outer tissue off the stem. I thought if only one node is above the ground the plants would be more compact above the ground.


Also, would it be a good idea to soak the cuttings in a 10% bleach solution for about 10 minutes to sterilize them? I read this suggestion for Nepenthes and other cuttings. After they are soaked in the bleach solution they could then be soaked in water for a couple of minutes. Perhaps there are other chemicals that are better and safer to use then bleach. Do you know of any that are affordable or mix well with water?

Your help is appreciated
Regards Richard.

Aliamyz 7th November 2009 06:17 PM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Unless it's a rare cutting then you can try all the method you've mentioned.For normal cuttings,you can just put them in water for a week or two and then plant it in the medium.

I use this method and it seems to work.Cutting the outer layer of the part will encourage to root fast.

paphioboy 7th November 2009 06:42 PM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Sounds reasonable. I think they'll thrive. you can just dip the cut ends with fungicide, no need to soak the whole cutting in bleach.. :)

David 8th November 2009 10:39 AM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
I would think that it is better to have only one node of the cutting in the media. I have tried placing the cuttings deeper in the media when I root them and realised later that the second node have gave out an offshoot in the media and the poor think is all twisted as it could not push out through the media.

shawnintland 8th November 2009 08:48 PM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
David, I tend to agree...and disagree! I've had that problem too, but I also have a lot of multi-node 'cutting' plants that sprouted only way up high and they always look top-heavy until the next transplanting when I bury them deeper. I haven't really noticed if the rooting rate is higher or lower when I use longer cuttings, has anyone else?

Richard Hole 8th November 2009 09:47 PM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Hi


When there is a very short distance between nodes, the only node below the soil may only be about an inch below the surface. Should that be all right or if nodes are very close together would it be better to have two nodes below the soil?

On another note, has anyone found that honey is good to strike Nepenthes cuttings? I asked about this a while back.


Your help is appreciated
Regards Richard.

David 8th November 2009 11:58 PM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Yes shawn is right. Not all the time the lower nodes give out offshoots. If the species or cutting has nodes that are close to each other, then by all means just stick the cutting deeper in the media.

Sorry, I have not tried rooting Nepenthes cuttings with honey.

arvin555 9th November 2009 02:49 AM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
I am under the impression that species that have very short internodes do not do well as cuttings, has anyone noticed this? Veitchii for example? Truncata, etc. Though for Truncata a friend of mine has done cutting sucesfully, I just have no guts to try it out.

No one commented about the bleach thing, I guess no one amongst us actually did consider disinfecting, well specially if you are going to stick it in potting mix that will be full of microorganisms anyway. Isoprophyl Alcohol is another alternative to bleach, another is hydrogen peroxide... but to clarify, I do not know if any will help or kill the cutting.

TTFN
Arvin

shawnintland 9th November 2009 09:14 AM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
No real experience trying it, but I think honey is known as a good anti-bacterial agent. I used to use a rooting powder with anti-biotic in it but then realized I had about the same success rate without it! I agree with Arvin that your media will be full of microorganisms anyway so it probably doesn't matter unless your cutters/knife gets a 'nasty' on it and you spread it to the other cuttings.
~Shawn

shawnintland 9th November 2009 09:20 AM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Water rooting - side
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=863
Water rooting - top
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=862
Water rooting - bottom
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=861
Media rooted - miranda
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=870
Media rooted - mixed
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=868
Media rooted - gracilis
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=867
Media rooting - various
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=865
Media rooting - amp?
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=864
Water rooted gracilis - early on
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=866
Water rooted gracilis - later on
https://forum.petpitcher.net/picture....&pictureid=869
All cuttings photos here;
https://forum.petpitcher.net/album.php?albumid=67


~Shawn

daan 23rd November 2009 12:47 AM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Thanks for sharing the foto's. i have learned a lot today.:1thumbup:

daan

Richard Hole 23rd January 2010 09:19 AM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Hi Shawn

Thanks for sharing the photos. With your water rooted cuttings is that white material polystyrene foam or Coolite that is commonly found in packaging?

I assume that you punch small holes in it to push the cutting through and use the polystyrene foam to support them. Is that correct?

Your help is appreciated,
Regards Richard.

shawnintland 23rd January 2010 01:53 PM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Hi Richard, Yep, plain old styrofoam. I use a pencil to punch a hole through it. If you cut the styrofoam just a tiny bit smaller than the water container it floats in, it moves freely up or down with the water volume. Later you may have to break away the styrofoam to avoid damage to the roots when you want to transplant them, but hey, it's cheap and abundant anyway. The water rooting seems to be much slower than media rooting with some species but has the advantage that you can easily lift it up to check on progress and you can pretty much just forget about them for weeks/months at a time without worrying. Good Luck!
~Shawn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Hole (Post 25626)
Hi Shawn

Thanks for sharing the photos. With your water rooted cuttings is that white material polystyrene foam or Coolite that is commonly found in packaging?

I assume that you punch small holes in it to push the cutting through and use the polystyrene foam to support them. Is that correct?

Your help is appreciated,
Regards Richard.


Richard Hole 23rd January 2010 02:41 PM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Hi Shaun and those interested,



Do you have the cuttings outside in a greenhouse and do you have clear plastic over the tray to build up humidity? How much shade or light do you give them?



Have you or anyone you know ever included the broken up polystyrene foam in the potting mix for Nepenthes or other carnivorous plants and if so, do the plants grow well with it? I have heard it can produce a toxic gas and break down in sun so I would like to know if anyone has successfully used it for years.


Your help will be appreciated,
Regards Richard.

shawnintland 23rd January 2010 03:20 PM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Hi again,
The box is inside my shade house sitting on the ground. It gets misted automatically a couple times a day along with everything else.The shade cloth is about 60% over the entire building.
I generally hate styrofoam aesthetically so have never used it in my media. I have bought plants (orchids and an occasional nep) where it is in the media but I usually transplant them immediately.

marvin1997 23rd January 2010 04:13 PM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
Shawn you're "mass producing":sweating: them in the traditional way!:tongue:

arvin555 24th January 2010 02:04 AM

Re: Nepenthes cuttings.
 
One thing Richard, is you have to be careful, I am not sure where Tolga Australia is, but I imagine you are in a temperate region/climate and Shawn and the rest of us are in Tropical climates, so when it comes to humidity, etc. or lack of additional precautions about humidity, be careful, you might have a way more drier and cooler climate than we do.

That said, even in tropical climate like Shawn's Kho Samui, he has this nice automatic mysting system. I don't have those, and even though relatively humid in my area, I do still put some of my cuttings in a humidity bag or something I use 2 liter pet bottles (softdrink) cut to make a tall humidity dome. :)

TTFN
Arvin


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