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Hi guy,
I have order some plants from MT ( they are healthy love them but I have to leave them ) . I really need help from other country grower:crying:. The Plan Protect Department have taking the plants back and sending to MT, because they need information about the disease of nepenthes so the plants will sending back to MT. I really need help from other grower. In Viet Nam grower have try to fix this trouble but those people don't know anything about this plants. Can you help me this ?
I will sending the information they need to all. I really really need help.
Best regards,
Tran Minh.

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Hi Minh,
So sorry to hear this. Did you asked MT to apply for Phyto and CITES for the plants?? To legally ship plants like nepenthes from overseas will require proper documents to avoid problems from the authorities.

I'm not sure how to help you but others here might be able. I think the next best thing is to ask MT if they can help in anyway. Next time, before you order any plants, better check with your local authorities to obtain proper documents to avoid history repeating itself... Good luck.

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I think it is not just asking MT to send the plants with phyto or CITES certs. You may need to apply for import permit. Not sure how it goes in your country, but like what cpnut says check back with MT. They will be the best people to help you since the plants are from them and they would be familier with these issue. Also it would be best to talk to an officer in your country's "Plant Protection Department" to find out what you need to do.

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I have talk to the Plan Protect Department they need list pests and disease to make a document ( DATA REQUIMENT FOR PRA ) which really need the list pests and disease I have apply the import permit.

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YOu should check with MT for this information. And if you applied for the phyto certs, it should already be clear in the document that the plants are free from pest or diseas etc.

Get back to MT on this.

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I have been on top of this with Tranh and Juliana. Accoding to Juliana/MT all Phyto and Cites and Wildlife certs are included. Therefore package is theoretically free from pest and is from renewable source.

Tranh, you may have to fill in a form or something on your part, I don't know what the requirement in Vietnam is. Even spoken to a vietnamese friend yesterday. She does business here. Says best you get a forwarding agent/shipping agent to assist.

Sigh...

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I think I know what Trahn's problem is, I experienced this problem before but actually not the same way as his being unfortunate that his government agency is planning to send back the plants. Tran you really should try to act quickly because the plants might die if they are left unpotted like that.

PRA means Pest Risk Analysis, and for some reason I cannot find any source for PRA of Nepenthes anywhere, if anyone has this, please please help and make it public!

Tran, did you ask for an import permit? Because in my case in Philippines, the reason why I was asked for PRA is because I asked for Import permit before I ordered. The government agency said that it is basically their job, but if they can't find any reference anywhere, then they might disallow the importation. So I tried and I tried, but I ended up just telling them that:

1. The plants are unpotted, bare root (this means no chance of pests coming with the soil).
2. The plants will be dipped in a solution that will make it pest free (not sure if MT will be able to certify this).

I was lucky enough to have been allowed to import.

End of my report/suggestion... but I would like to take this oppurtunity to ask the members for help or leads on how we can start a PRA. It only needs a Pest Risk Analysis from one country or agency or heck even a university study, and that can be used as reference by all the governments that might want it. I am not sure if there is a PRA document already in the US, but I have not seen any in the net.

Basically we just need a formal report on what pests might attack or occur commonly on Nepenthes species and also what pests might hitch a ride with nepenthes when transferred to other areas or countries.... this is the basis of the quarintine agents on how they will evaluate the plants and how to quarintine them if necessary. But in my opinion an antipest dip should really be the best way if found necessary.

TTFN
Arvin

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Let me ask two people who I think would most probably has it or knows where to get it. I'll get back to you.

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Sorry. Dead end as well. Perhaps it would be best to just ask MT to get the Dept of Agriculture to issue a PRA.

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Hi guy,
Thank you guy a lot for taking a lot of time to help me. Sorry David for my last messager ( thank Devid for the help ). Juliana ( MT ) have talk to the Plant Protect Department ( Mss Thanh ) about the PRA ( thank Arvin ) . If I do that document time to finish it are 1 to 3 years. Nepenthes are new in Viet Nam it just started to have in Viet Nam last years, I have checker the document list but PRA not in the list I only know it went my order arrive. It like my nightmare coming I can't sleep because that document so I started to do it but I can't find any pests list. I hope the amswer from PPD arrive in next Monday.
Thank all.

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Tran, I think as a last course of action, please try to talk to your government agent tell him or her that Nepenthes are found in Vietnam as well, tell them the species name, etc. then also explain that the plants you are importing is artificially propagated so pest free. These are all Talk however no hard documents, but maybe they will allow you to bring in.

I am not too sure if PRA also involves the possibility of the imported plants to become pests themselves. For example, we had experienced here that our Drosera import permit was denied because the agency thought that droseras might become invasive pests (weeds) here. I guess I answered the question, PRA is for Pest risk, it does not say anything about risk of becoming "weeds".

Good luck Tran! I hope the plants are opened and potted or sent back already or else they will end up dead!

TTFN
Arvin

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Hi,
Thank you,
I will try to tell the PPD that nepenthes are free pests and diseaser.

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Can they ship any of their seeds?Like Vfts,Sarras.....etc

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Vft's status are "endangered" right?

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Marvin, I am not sure but maybe you are off topic here! Kindly please post a bit more details about your questions and comments so that we can understand. Tran's problem is I think more on Nepenthes importation particulrly for Pest Risk Analysis.

Which reminds me Tran, if the supplier can provide Phytosanitary permit, that should prove that the plant is free from pest... which means regardless of pest risk, it should be pest free because of the Phyto certificate. I hope you have resolved the problem already... I am also not sure if there are "unofficial" ways for you to deal with those guys, sometimes they give you a hard time because they want to charge you "extra fees" if you know what I mean, I don't want to mean that this act is common in Vietnam though.

TTFN
Arvin

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What I mean was to import(is this the word?) seeds of Vfts and Sarras from other country.Do they seize the seeds bacause it's endangered?

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Quite out of topic here Marvin, but to answer your question, I think no, in fact seeds are the easiest to send, send by post, no problem, there is no pest risk as well. Though some countries still require phytosanitary permits if you declare it. Hope this answers your question somewhat... But Tran's problem is that whole plants might harbor pests and diseases, and of course difficult to ship withtout attracting attention.

TTFN
Arvin

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Sorry,Tran.....have you got your plants back?I thought MT said they will prepare all the permit?

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Hi,
Not really I have to do it by my self. If the Plants Protect Department doing in hardway it will cost 3 years to comlete !

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So Tran how is your plants? Are they with you or sent back to MT?

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Hi,
I think they have dead ! they have stay in the box for too long. But listen to me for a few minute, went I started to order from MT I have do Import then the Plants Department ( not plants protect department ) tell me that I only need import permit (in Vietnam is thing only need to do one time and you don't need anymore), CITES and Phyto-sanitary certificate then after the plants arrive plant protect department call me and telll me that I have to do some paper but let me tell you what paper tell me that how to remove the pests and diseaser ( it make me thinking like those people don't know how to remove insects in plants ) they don't care about Phyto-sanitary certificate so why they tell me to do ? In the January a lot of nepenthes ventrata import to Vietnam and selling in plants shop, strange right easy way to import plants to Vietnam is thow some money for them ! It can't happen with a boy like me.

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Very sorry for that Tran. Because you already said it yourself about Throwing some Money... etc. next time maybe you can ask an adult to talk to them for you so they can negotiate, it is a big cost if the plants die, so a little bit of extra "effort" will make everyone happy. What I am sad though is that those people actually would do it to a young man like you... they don't even think to be ashamed of doing it to a young man and teach him the wrong ways of doing things :( Very sorry again for your experience Tran.

Though Tran you should also have specifically told or mention here that the government agency that you are talking about is asking you "tell me that how to remove the pests and diseaser" Because removal or making sure that pests and diseases are removed is different from just having PRA document.

Next time if there is such a problem then please ask Supplier or maybe even pay the Plant protection guys for a Fugicide and Pesticide Dip. Which only involved dipping all the plants in a liquid with Fugicide and Pesticide for a bit of time and then that should be it!! Of course it will mean added cost but that should do the trick.

TTFN
Arvin

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Hi,
Thank for your advice ! I never going to do that, it stupid and ashames . But those people will keep tell me to do another paper and other and other !

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I think they want your money........Nevermind

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Well Marvin those people try best to find money !