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tarence: Gemmae
tarence
Global Moderator  member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male  Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong  Gemmae« Thread Started on Nov 28, 2007, 1:26pm » my newest ****es....sample of 2 types of gemmae for pygmy sundew.....growlist updated for the new gemmae types received.   « Last Edit: Nov 28, 2007, 1:55pm by tarence »Link to Post - Back to Top  Logged cindyGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 412 Location: Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #1 on Nov 28, 2007, 6:41pm » Kawan, Which species are these? And the media is too soggy...  Link to Post - Back to Top Logged piscesilimGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Dec 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 463 Location: Bukit Mertajam, Penang Re: Gemmae« Reply #2 on Nov 28, 2007, 8:40pm » May I know how tall is your pot? Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedLim tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #3 on Nov 29, 2007, 8:35am » Cindy, first one is scorpioides giant....the 2nd one i can`t recall, gotta look at the label at home....mebbe echinoblastus....i`ll check. too wet yah ? it might rot the gemmae ? i`ll let it dry out a bit then. thank you. Lim : pot is about 12cm....i am also using shorter ones for some but will transplant soon before the roots get too long. i know it`s very risky but i ran out of deeper pots. and i will try to be very gentle with the roots. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged cindyGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 412 Location: Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #4 on Nov 29, 2007, 6:06pm » Tarence, If you use more sand but keep the pots permanently wet on the tray, pygmies can do well in pots just 3" deep. Keeping them wet discourages them from becoming dormant which is during their summer period. Those growers giving them dormancy use pots of 6-12" deep!  Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #5 on Nov 29, 2007, 6:38pm » thx Cindy....i`m using 50/50 sand, peat moss mix. More peat on top where the gemmae is as per seller`s detailed instruction. I notice you top up your medium with sand ONLY. isn`t that dry ? but your d.lasiantha seems to be doing ok, the root was `digging` into the sand. Mmmm..... Link to Post - Back to Top Logged piscesilimGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Dec 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 463 Location: Bukit Mertajam, Penang Re: Gemmae« Reply #6 on Nov 29, 2007, 9:29pm » Mine doing better in more sand and shallow pot. But most of the website said need deep pot. Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedLim cindyGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 412 Location: Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #7 on Nov 29, 2007, 9:59pm » I topped it with sand according to instructions he re.  Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #8 on Nov 30, 2007, 2:23pm » sometimes instructions may NOT make sense to us but it`s best to just FOLLOW. heheh. coz to me, topping it with sand might make it too dry for the gemmae germination but hey, it works for cindy. for my previous pic, the 2nd photo was ericksoniae x pulchella cindy : how do you manage the required germination temp of 22-26 C and yet provide it with enuff lite ? here`s some more of them....it`s incredible that within a few days they are germinating so fast...   « Last Edit: Nov 30, 2007, 2:47pm by tarence »Link to Post - Back to Top Logged cindyGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 412 Location: Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #9 on Nov 30, 2007, 4:13pm » Tarence, The gemmae will always germinate. Whether the plants make it to adulthood or not, it will depend on how heat resistant it is. Sometimes, they go dormant despite they being in wet media because the heat level is too high. But it depends on individual plants. I have some D. pymaea in one pot and some are dormant, some are not. The dormant ones may or may not survive so hopefully the ones not dormant will form gemmae later on. I use a cover for the gemmae when they are sown on pure sand. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #10 on Nov 30, 2007, 8:14pm » thx Cindy... Link to Post - Back to Top Logged ameliepoulainGlobal Moderator member is offline   Joined: May 2007 Gender: Female  Posts: 442 Location: Ara River, 11900 Penang Re: Gemmae« Reply #11 on Dec 11, 2007, 9:55pm » when you guys say sand, what kind of sand are you refering to? where do I get them? Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedAthene's CP GrowlistAthene's Wishlist David Administrator member is offline  Joined: Dec 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 2,326 Location: Kuala Lumpur Re: Gemmae« Reply #12 on Dec 11, 2007, 10:42pm » Hi Athene, The sand they are refering to would be river silica sand. You can check out the nurseries in Penang or aquarium shops. They should have them for sale. « Last Edit: Dec 11, 2007, 10:43pm by David »Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedMy Wantlist ifuritaJunior Member  member is offline Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 71 Location: Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #13 on Dec 11, 2007, 11:11pm » Personally, I've found that gemmae will germinate and grow even in media which has a lot of peat in it AND is waterlogged(cos I used a container with no holes at the bottom). They're tough, so there's no need to worry too much until you decide to transplant them into their permanent pot. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged piscesilimGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Dec 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 463 Location: Bukit Mertajam, Penang Re: Gemmae« Reply #14 on Dec 11, 2007, 11:30pm » Can't trust the nursery and aquarium shop. Because some sand may contain calsium carbonate. I always use self collected river sand. Wash it several time before use. You can soak the sand inside the Phosphoric acid to get rid the calsium carbonate. « Last Edit: Dec 11, 2007, 11:32pm by piscesilim »Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedLim DavidAdministrator member is offline Joined: Dec 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 2,326 Location: Kuala Lumpur Re: Gemmae« Reply #15 on Dec 11, 2007, 11:39pm » Thanks Lim for your information. Athene, perhaps you could call Lim and check with him where he gets the river sand in Penang Ya man! wash it several times. I soak my sand in boiling water for several minutes to kill off any beasties, algae etc. I bought my river sand from a nursery near sg. buloh. « Last Edit: Dec 11, 2007, 11:41pm by David »Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedMy Wantlist ameliepoulainGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: May 2007 Gender: Female Posts: 442 Location: Ara River, 11900 Penang Re: Gemmae« Reply #16 on Dec 12, 2007, 10:53am » Aiyoh! Now you talking Phosphoric acid & calsium carbonate! More confused I am! I think I'll just collect the sand from the nearby waterfall. The actual question should have been, is it the very fine grain one or the coarse type? Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedAthene's CP GrowlistAthene's Wishlist hongrui Advisor - CP member is offline  CP addict  Joined: Jul 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 467 Location: Mandai, Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #17 on Dec 12, 2007, 11:20am » the sand should be around 1cm-3cm. Link to Post - Back to Top Loggedlooking for different forms of N. ampullaria, N. rafflesiana and N. xhookeriana.My CP Growlist - updated 27 May '08 ameliepoulain Global Moderator member is offline Joined: May 2007 Gender: Female Posts: 442 Location: Ara River, 11900 Penang Re: Gemmae« Reply #18 on Dec 12, 2007, 11:30am » Quote:the sand should be around 1cm-3cm. are you sure those are sands? with that kind of size, it's more like pebbles/stone! Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedAthene's CP GrowlistAthene's Wishlist hongrui Advisor - CP member is offline CP addict Joined: Jul 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 467 Location: Mandai, Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #19 on Dec 12, 2007, 7:10pm » smaller sized ones i find compacts too much. so i usually aim for sand/gravel about the size of the perlite bits. Link to Post - Back to Top Loggedlooking for different forms of N. ampullaria, N. rafflesiana and N. xhookeriana.My CP Growlist - updated 27 May '08 
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Re: tarence: Gemmae
ameliepoulain
Global Moderator  member is offline  Joined: May 2007 Gender: Female  Posts: 442 Location: Ara River, 11900 Penang  Re: Gemmae« Reply #20 on Jan 3, 2008, 12:08am » Quote:Thanks Lim for your information. Athene, perhaps you could call Lim and check with him where he gets the river sand in Penang  Ya man! wash it several times. I soak my sand in boiling water for several minutes to kill off any beasties, algae etc. I bought my river sand from a nursery near sg. buloh. David, not only I call Lim for advice, he even gave some sands to take home! thanks, Lim for the sand that you gave me the other day. Just wondering, how many time should I wash it if I'm not using any acid or what'snots  I'm preparing to receive some gemmae soon. What should I have for optimum germination, and where should I place them? Link to Post - Back to Top  LoggedAthene's CP GrowlistAthene's Wishlist piscesilim Global Moderator member is offline Joined: Dec 2006 Gender: Male  Posts: 463 Location: Bukit Mertajam, Penang Re: Gemmae« Reply #21 on Jan 3, 2008, 12:20am » I wash it until the water is clear. Just put the gemmae on the sand. They will sprout in several days. Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedLim ameliepoulainGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: May 2007 Gender: Female Posts: 442 Location: Ara River, 11900 Penang Re: Gemmae« Reply #22 on Jan 3, 2008, 12:31am » after that where do I put the pot? should I use a water tray? Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedAthene's CP GrowlistAthene's Wishlist tarence Global Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #23 on Jan 3, 2008, 8:18am » I use a shallow water tray, about 1/4 the pot height. Preferably use deeper pots of 5" to plant the gemmae if you have the space ( errr, wait a minute, you HAVE the space ! ) . The recommended pot height is 12" but well, i`m using the 5" ones & also smaller ones which I think are not so good for their `famed` long roots. Btw, how to keep sand moist all the time ? I`m using peat moss as topping & the gemmae germinates well coz it`s moist all the time. Sand is just sporadically sprinkled over the peat moss more as decoration ( haha) and to keep the peat moss in place. « Last Edit: Jan 3, 2008, 8:38am by tarence »Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #24 on Jan 3, 2008, 8:30am » Here are some updated photos of my ****es......    the scorpioides looks a bit pathetic coz it got attacked by baby caterpillars. they ate all the leaves ! but it`s recovering....   Link to Post - Back to Top Logged lishamSenior Member  member is offline Joined: Jun 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 393 Location: Langkawi Re: Gemmae« Reply #25 on Jan 3, 2008, 12:53pm » Tarence... they look just like you!!! when I say they looks like you... I mean they're cute like you aaa...  Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #26 on Jan 3, 2008, 1:23pm » thx, I think.....heheh. they are so tiny tho....i can`t really tell the diff for the other pygmies except for scorpioides. i have not trained meself yet, so my plant labels with stay in the pot for a while. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged sockhomJunior Member  member is offline  Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 63 Location: France Re: Gemmae« Reply #27 on Jan 3, 2008, 5:39pm » Tarence, i've just "sown" about ten pygmy species a few days ago. I really think they are attractive plants. François. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #28 on Jan 3, 2008, 6:10pm » Good for you Francois...do share the pictures with us when they germinate plse. thx. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged DavidAdministrator member is offline Joined: Dec 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 2,326 Location: Kuala Lumpur Re: Gemmae« Reply #29 on Jan 4, 2008, 1:51pm » Just sharing my pygmies...  D. ericksoniae x pulchella:    D. echinobulastus:    Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedMy Wantlist tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #30 on Jan 4, 2008, 2:00pm » Aren`t they c-u-t-e ? ........our next stage of progress would be to hope for gemmae to form. heheh. flowers too. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #31 on Jan 25, 2008, 1:39pm » the pulchella x ericksoniae are getting quite large. i`m surprised that they can reach this size despite their pygmy status....nearly the size of a 10 cts coin now...  « Last Edit: Jan 25, 2008, 1:41pm by tarence »Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #32 on Mar 24, 2008, 7:02pm » here are some new updates on the gemmae:    Link to Post - Back to Top Logged caseyhooFull Member  member is offline   Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Re: Gemmae« Reply #33 on Mar 24, 2008, 7:30pm » nice.... but, they are really tiny... im wonder, that is their adult size?  Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedBest Regards,KC Hoo Wanted List They are nice : D. aliciae, D. brevicornis, D. derbyensis, D. falconeri, D. lanata, D. villosa, D. lowriei, D. menziesii tarence Global Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #34 on Mar 24, 2008, 7:37pm » the pulchella x ericksoniae is about the size of a 20 cts coin...not too bad for a pygmy sundew....the scorpioides which is the 1st photo from the 3 i just posted is about 1" high....they are tiny.... Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #35 on May 12, 2008, 1:14pm » this remains my fav pygmy.....   Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #36 on May 16, 2008, 8:34am » mmmm...surprise surprise.....my d.ericksoniae x pulchella has started producing gemmae. it was a small miracle of sorts for me. heheh. it`s a new feeling poking into the gemmae `pool` with a toothpick & getting the gemmae out. i`ll post pics later.....coz just saw them last nite & nite pics aren`t clear.... Link to Post - Back to Top Logged caseyhooFull Member member is offline Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Re: Gemmae« Reply #37 on May 16, 2008, 11:22am » tarence, congratulations... cant wait to see the photo ASAP Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedBest Regards,KC Hoo Wanted List They are nice : D. aliciae, D. brevicornis, D. derbyensis, D. falconeri, D. lanata, D. villosa, D. lowriei, D. menziesii tarence Global Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #38 on May 19, 2008, 10:48am » here are the pics.... gemmae is in the middle of the sundew....  another pic of another sundew  the end result after poking it with a wet toothpick....gemmae !!!  Link to Post - Back to Top Logged caseyhooFull Member member is offline Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Re: Gemmae« Reply #39 on May 21, 2008, 12:02am » For fresh gemmae, do I need to give them direct sunlight as others sundew? thanx Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedBest Regards,KC Hoo Wanted List They are nice : D. aliciae, D. brevicornis, D. derbyensis, D. falconeri, D. lanata, D. villosa, D. lowriei, D. menziesii
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Re: tarence: Gemmae
hongrui
Advisor - CP member is offline CP addict Joined: Jul 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 467 Location: Mandai, Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #40 on May 21, 2008, 6:37am » Casey, for germination of gemmae, cool bright shade is good. introduce them to sun slowly after you see the first 2-3 true leaves. i find pygmies generally quite heat sensitive, so you'll need to strike a balance between light and heat. Link to Post - Back to Top Loggedlooking for different forms of N. ampullaria, N. rafflesiana and N. xhookeriana.My CP Growlist - updated 27 May '08 droserahybridman New Member member is offline Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Iowa, United States Re: Gemmae« Reply #41 on May 23, 2008, 6:07am » tarence, are you growing your pygmies outside? If so, how high are daytime temps where you live? I want mine to produce gemmae, but have heard it helps if they're outside. They're thriving indoors for me right now so I am hesitant to bring them outside and risk frying them in the sometimes 100 degree F weather we have in the summer. Thanks, Aaron Link to Post - Back to Top Logged edwinclfNew Member member is offline  Joined: Dec 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 39 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Re: Gemmae« Reply #42 on May 27, 2008, 11:02pm » Tarence. Thanks for your Information. My gemmae start to germinate. Saw some tiny thing come out from the gemmae. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #43 on May 29, 2008, 8:44am » Aaron...yes, i am growing my pygmies outside. i was told to keep them away from a`noon heat.....so they get mostly morn` & evening. they have been kept outdoors since they arrived last December... i am not sure if the abrupt change in climate will be good for your pygmies. my garden temp in the daytime is about 32 - 34 deg C......it`s very hot. but if i keep them in the grassy area, then it`s a bit cooler. which ones do you have & are trying to cajole` into producing gemmae ? edwin : good to know they are growing already. they are quite cute & interesting to grow. gemmae germinates fast. « Last Edit: May 30, 2008, 12:07pm by tarence »Link to Post - Back to Top Logged droserahybridmanNew Member member is offline Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Iowa, United States Re: Gemmae« Reply #44 on May 29, 2008, 10:33am » D. pygmaea, scorpioides, roseana, dichrosepala, and omissa x pulchella. The pygmaea appear to be full grown but they're only 3 months old from gemmae. The rest are about 3 weeks old from gemmae. I don't know if I should just try acclimating them a little at a time until they can tolerate full sun. LMK what u think I should do. Thanks, Aaron Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #45 on May 29, 2008, 6:23pm » my own experience in sunny m`sia ( all excludes a`noon sun ) : pygmaea : tolerates heat well scorpioides : typical form i assume, not giant ? does ok as well outside. roseana : turned black-ish from the heat dichrosepala : turned black-ish from the heat omissa x pulchella : i don`t have this but i think pulchella hybrids do well in heat what i did was to make sure that the pygmies get enough humidity when exposed to full sun. the water level in the trays i used were quite high. i avoided putting them in the scorching a`noon sun. hongrui, you might want to comment as well. « Last Edit: May 30, 2008, 12:10pm by tarence »Link to Post - Back to Top Logged hongruiAdvisor - CP member is offline CP addict Joined: Jul 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 467 Location: Mandai, Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #46 on May 29, 2008, 6:58pm » D. scorpioides is pretty heat sensitive .. at least in my environment. i think it is better if you can keep the all pygmies at less than 30C (85F) and they would do best in the low 20Cs (mid 70Fs) the more heat tolerant species for me are D. occidentalis, D. pulchella and D. nitidula. Hybrids do better for the species too, especially D. nitidula and D. pulchella hybrids. i'll be getting more pygmies to conduct another round of expensive experiments to see which ones tolerate heat. Link to Post - Back to Top Loggedlooking for different forms of N. ampullaria, N. rafflesiana and N. xhookeriana.My CP Growlist - updated 27 May '08 ifurita Junior Member member is offline Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 71 Location: Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #47 on May 29, 2008, 10:49pm » I think pygmies are fairly capable of taking decently high temps during the day, there's no way my room is going to be less than 30C if the outdoor temp is >30C. Perhaps pygmies are more tolerant of day heat if given night cooling? I've tried letting some pygmies have a blast of direct sun heat for a month or so, plus allowed the media to try out between waterings and they responded to it by going into dormancy, but didn't die straight out. So heat alone...I personally think there's got to be more to it than just that. Just my 2 cents tho... Link to Post - Back to Top Logged tarenceGlobal Moderator member is offline Joined: Apr 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,523 Location: Bandar Kinrara , Puchong Re: Gemmae« Reply #48 on May 30, 2008, 12:11pm » Ifurita, what does a pygmy going into dormancy look like ? i have several in varying degrees of `still-life` & i`m not sure what they are up to. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged ifuritaJunior Member member is offline Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 71 Location: Singapore Re: Gemmae« Reply #49 on May 30, 2008, 9:34pm » A pygmy going into dormancy will have shorter/smaller leaves, while the core of the plant will transform into a tuft of white hairs. This happens in various degrees to the different species, but they generally end up with no carnivorous leaves and the main body of the plant more or less becomes a large tuft of white hairs which protect the plant body and the undeveloped leaves. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged droserahybridmanNew Member member is offline Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Iowa, United States Re: Gemmae« Reply #50 on Jun 2, 2008, 10:34am » thanks for the heat info. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged strath76Full Member member is offline  Joined: Jan 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 122 Location: Australia Re: Gemmae« Reply #51 on Jun 3, 2008, 10:36am » Hi Aaron, Pygmy drosera often experience temperatures in the wild that exceed 40 degrees celcius (104 Fahrenheit). Often this can be for several days in a row but it does generally cool down a bit at night. I don't think you should have too many problems as long as you take some simple precautions such as providing some shade for the hottest part of the day and acclimitising the plants to your outside conditions prior to the extremes of summer or winter. As with any plant a rapid change in conditions could cause fatal stress and no one likes it when that happens. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged
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