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« Thread Started on Jun 30, 2007, 11:10pm » Hi I am new to nepenthes, just brought it from Cameron ,
i need some guide to grow it,

I found 4zeplant web site and has meet 4z , Thank To him .


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« Reply #1 on Jul 1, 2007, 11:58am » A picture would help to know how to grow it. But generally, keep it in bright shade out of full sun. But an hour or 2 of direct morning sun seems beneficial. Or keep it constantly under 50% shade cloth. Grow it in a sphagnum moss/perlite, sphagnum peat moss/perlite, or sphagnum peat moss/silica sand mix with a 1:1 ratio. Cover the top of the mixture with sphagnum moss as a top dressing to retain water and keep humidity high. Water it once every 2-3 days if it doesnt get rain or when the top dressing feels dry. Don't use tap water, use collected rain water, distilled water or reverse osmosis water.
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« Reply #2 on Jul 1, 2007, 4:02pm » After i change the soil to Moss , will i need to put in "Baja" again ?
If yes i leave it until i get the "Baja"
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« Reply #3 on Jul 1, 2007, 4:26pm » Do not fertilize carnivorous plants! Big point here. Their fertilizer is bugs. If you want to put baja, buy crickets from an aquarium shop and put them in the pitchers. But in our country no need if you put the plant outside. My pitchers catch plenty of bugs by themselves.
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« Reply #4 on Jul 1, 2007, 5:11pm » Hi adisonz,

Glad you have joined us. If you are feeding your neps petshop crikets, the ratio of criket to pitcher size is about 1:5 or better still 1:6. If the pitchers are small, maybe about 3 inches tall, you might need to cut the crikets into smaller pieces. Over feeding will create havoc in the digestive system of the pitcher and the picther will die (plant will be fine tho').

Be sure to shake the pitcher fluid vigorously if you are placing a dead piece of criket in the pitcher. That stimulates the pitcher to produce digestive enzyms. In normal circumctances, the insect would struggle in the pitcher fluid before dying.

Also only feed pitchers that have fluid in them and nectar at the peristome. Do not feed newly open pitchers or they will turn brown and die. Hope this helps.

But like Zak says, if you place them in your garden, you would not need to worry. They will capture their own insect prey. But still check every now and then to make sure they are getting their boost of insect fertiliser.

Check out the "Nepenthes Articles" board. There are some articles there on the cultivation of Nepenthes. « Last Edit: Jul 1, 2007, 5:13pm by David »Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedMy Wantlist lisham
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« Reply #5 on Jul 1, 2007, 7:53pm » Hi hi... Me new too...

Cameron eh? Change the potting medium quick, or at least check the potting medium... Like one time my friend sent me some pitcher plants from Cameron...

<Nostalgic background music starts here>

Last time a friend bought 2 pots and the plants were looking fresh but not growing, of course the top of the pitcher starts to brown over.

After a month or os I decided to repot the plants and what do I find? Selut a.k.a. mud with weird looking remains of moss. Looks like some people plucked the poor thing (the pitcher plants) from their natural habitat and poke em in mud in a pot and cover the top layer with spag moss. Too late for the plants.

<Nostalgic background music ends here>

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« Reply #6 on Jul 1, 2007, 11:13pm » Wow , thanks for your advice,
I brought the moss from 4zeplant already plan to change it quick


Any others factor that i need to concern for these plant ?
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« Reply #7 on Jul 1, 2007, 11:42pm » Adisonz...you can also feed the pitcher plants with dried tubifex worms you buy from fish shops....I do that once a month...mebbe feed about 20% of the pitchers.

Keep the pitcher plants away from ordinary plants so that the chances of it being sprayed by fertiliser is lower.

Only use spaghnum moss or non-fertile medium for it.

Keep moist.....and under about 50% shade but it`ll depend on which variety of Neps you have.

Also plse update your location so that we can know where you are from.

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« Reply #8 on Jul 2, 2007, 12:43am » Hi I am from Malaysia , Setapak .

I put the Nep under a tree, previously i read some articles that it's better to keep it indoor with indirect sunlight.

I don't know which will be better but my Baby Cup starting to dry up .

And ..any CP that can grow in the office with a teranium without a light just the light from the office.

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« Reply #9 on Jul 2, 2007, 8:23am » Was that article written by a westener? We live in a tropical country, they grow great outdoors~ Outdoors has better humidity and it catches more bugs.

I don't think there are any carni plants that can survive with just those office lights. You might be able to get one to survive if you buy a stand light and put a higher power 6500K fluorescent light in it close to the plant..
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« Reply #10 on Jul 2, 2007, 1:07pm » yeah zak....

or you can try those x-tra large VTF (battery operated) for your work station.
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« Reply #11 on Jul 2, 2007, 1:17pm » Haha Lisham......kelakar ko ni...nanti lapar that battery VFT x dpt tangkap flies / insects kat ofis.

Adisonz : i do not recommend CPs in the office. It borders on cruelty to plants laa coz wrong environment. I tried it before last time when my section had a large window which catches morning sun. So they flourished...very distracting tho trying to balance up work & gardening so I gave up....at the moment, I have 2 pics of CPs on my table but that`s about it. No `live` plants. Cheers !
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« Reply #12 on Jul 2, 2007, 4:07pm » Adisonz,
If you got your plants from Fauzi, I don't think you have to worry about repotting them anytime soon coz Fauzi uses good medium unlike those sellers in CH.
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« Reply #13 on Jul 2, 2007, 11:42pm » Hi all ,
Here comes another question ,

I have changed the medium to moss,

where should i put the CP at ourdoor, direct sunlight or under some shade ?

will it die for direct sunlight ? means no shade at all from morning to evening.
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« Reply #14 on Jul 3, 2007, 12:19am » Hello Adisonz,
We are all here to learn this fascination and growing hobby. welcome onboard to make the site interesting .
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« Reply #15 on Jul 3, 2007, 8:46am » adisonz,

The thing is acclimatisation. If the plants have always been grown in an area with dappled sunlight and you suddenly shift it to an open area with direct sun all day, the leaves and pitchers will have burn spots. Pitchers will dry up. The trick is to slowly introduce more light over a period of time.

Never put a nepenthes in the shade or only with bright lights. They do not grow as well. Nepentehs need sun. The more you can give it the better.
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« Reply #16 on Jul 3, 2007, 9:19am » Adisonz

What kind of moss did you use ? the rm10 per pack moss from Camerons or China ? hopefully you used the new zealand one.....the cheaper one will turn black very fast & affect your CPs growth.

I suggest, after re-potting, keep in full shade for about 1 - 2 weeks...let it root properly first ( especially if you had `disturbed` the roots)...then start with bright area but no direct sun...then some filtered sun...then a lil` more as time passes. I try not to expose my Neps to full sun, at the most, 50%. This is for outdoors planting yah ?

You then monitor leaf size & pitcher size. If the new leaves are getting bigger & bigger & the pitchers are getting smaller than when you orginally bought it, then it`s bad news. Something is wrong....I`m assuming that you have bought adult Neps yah ? coz if it`s a small nep, then yes, the leaf would grow bigger....also make sure there`s always some water in the pitchers. some people like to have the plant itself provide the secretion inside the pitchers by watering the plant itself a lot...but in our current weather, some Neps like n.hookeriana which has a very exposed peristome or `lips` tends to dry up very very fast. This is turn will dry up the pitcher.

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« Reply #17 on Jul 3, 2007, 9:44pm » brought it from 4zeplant.

I will keep this CP at full shade for 1 week ,

This plant brought down from camaron 1 week already ..

Baby CUP dry, others ok ..

dunno the condition for going better or worse ...


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« Reply #18 on Jul 4, 2007, 1:51pm » It's difficult to tell when you buy a plant from Camerons. The plant is use to the cool air there. It will defitnally experience a little shock when you bring it down to lowland. But not to worry. It'll acclimatise itself in time.
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« Reply #19 on Jul 5, 2007, 9:42pm » Oh i see , thanks ya .

I am going to take some photo on my nep.

wish to post it here soon enuf.

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« Reply #20 on Jul 6, 2007, 12:25am » Hi all i got the Photo already

here is the album

http://picasaweb.google.com/wkamwai/MyCP

My baby cup dry already too bad

after i change the medium to Moss, and put it under 20% shade.

Any wrong plz advice thanks
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« Reply #21 on Jul 6, 2007, 6:11am » Hi all,
I am a new comer too. To share my 2 cents here.
I bought a pot of picther from Cameron about 4-6 months ago. Initially lots of the cups dried and die. But plant stays healthy.
6 months later, it started to produce many baby cups....

What I did is to hang it at the edge of my net (50% shade cloth). It got a few hours of direct morning sunlight every day. I water them heavily.
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« Reply #22 on Jul 6, 2007, 1:47pm » wow ...thats really help me
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« Reply #23 on Jul 6, 2007, 11:01pm » Another thumb size pitcher starting to dry ... sad sad sad ...

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« Reply #24 on Jul 8, 2007, 12:25am » Hi Adisonz,

Don't feel so sad as most of the highland Nepenthes will not grow well in the lowland. I am also having difficulties in cultivating the N.sanguinea, N.ramispina and N.macfarlanei. Have tried so many time and still the result is not very encouraging.

Maybe now you should concentrate more on the lowlander. It is a learning process and what we gain from our past experience hopefully can benefit the future. Although we have tried our best, the result might not be on our side.

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« Reply #25 on Jul 8, 2007, 8:56am » Cheer up man.

There are 2 explaination for this.

1. The plant is trying to cope with the changes of being moved (from CH to Setapak).

2. Maybe you spilled the fluid inside the pitchers so they dry up.

When I'm back in my hometown (Sungai Petani), I'd buy them neps and take em back to Langkawi (where I stay and work). Most of the time I spilled the fluid inside the pitchers and they always dry up, top half first.

If that's the case, I always use this trick- Fill the pitcher with water (1/4 full is OK). Sometime it works, sometime it doesn't.

Anyway, they will grow new pitchers for you given enough time.

Happy growing!

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