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Help!!! Need help with my P. primuliflora
« Thread Started on Nov 7, 2007, 11:09pm »
Don't know what happened to my premuliflora. It was doing great for a couple of months and sudenly lately it look sick. I did not move it or change its environment. It is grown under grow lights.

Any advise or help woould be very much appreciated. Here are some pictures...














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« Reply #1 on Nov 7, 2007, 11:58pm »
err... i think it's time for the leaves to dry....
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« Reply #2 on Nov 8, 2007, 12:35am »
Oh, you mean it's just old leaves? .... there's hope... there's hope....

Anyone else can confirm this for me?
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« Reply #3 on Nov 8, 2007, 12:51am »
i don't think those are old leaves, i think it's rot. when i transfered a large plantlet from my primuliflora, the same thing happened to the plantlet, within a couple of days, the whole plant was gone. Aphid could be the culprit too..

i'd suggest you transfer whatever plantlet that you have to another pot before the rot affects them too. then try to trim whatever rot that has set in, remove the top media too & replace with fresh moist (not wet!) media. set it aside, don't water it for awhile & pray hard.
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« Reply #4 on Nov 8, 2007, 12:57am »
yeap... i think it's old leaves... I usually clip em off as soon as they appear so the plants just stay green.

Mine basically thrive on abuse... and sprouting ****es until i gave up and ran out of those 2 inch pots, i stopped planting the ****es in their indvidual pots... now i just pick the ****es up and put em in 1 big pot so they can grow without bothering the mother plant.

Now am experimenting on growing them in my neps mix (sand+coco husk+charcoal) so far so good.
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« Reply #5 on Nov 9, 2007, 9:48am »
David, mine becomes like that when it is allowed to touch the medium i.e. LFS in your case. i notice that most of your rotting leaves are touching the medium. direct contact with the medium could be giving it too much moisture i think. yeah, mine rotted away as well coz i did not save it on time. i usually raise the plant a little allowing only the tip to touch LFS for plantlets to appear. Hope it helps.
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« Reply #6 on Nov 9, 2007, 11:33am »
I agree with Tarence, it's the moisture that caused the rotting. David, maybe you could just lay some sand on top like what you did to your sundews. It could also time for the old leaves to die and dry.
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« Reply #7 on Nov 9, 2007, 1:53pm »
Ok, I think I will chnage the potting media and place the pings in a smaller pot so that the leaves hang over the pot. Will add a layer of sand on the top to reduce humidity. I think I will also let the water tray for my ping dry out before filling it up again as advise by Athene.

Thanks everyone. Hope they survive.
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« Reply #8 on Nov 9, 2007, 2:07pm »
A gentle note of caution : i read that p.primuliflora does best in LFS and with lotsa water.
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« Reply #9 on Nov 9, 2007, 10:09pm »
Hmm, ok... maybe I'll let the water level stay as it is. At the moment they are in S. moss.
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« Reply #10 on Nov 10, 2007, 1:23am »
This is not rotting at all, but simply a case of old leaves dying away. It is nothing to do with touching the media either...most of the leaves of my P. primuliflora are touching the medium and only the oldest leaves are dying. It is perfectly normal. There is nothing wrong with your plant at all, just a bit of panic.

However, your plants do look a little squashed together: I would re pot them or at least space them out in the pot so they do not compete with each other or swamp each other.

As for reducing humidity, in nature P. primuliflora grow on the edge of streams and are sometimes half submerged in the stream, so humidity would be pretty high!
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« Reply #11 on Nov 12, 2007, 9:28am »
Thank you Cosmo for your input in this. Appreciate it.

I've already repotted my pings last weekend. Found a whole bunch of ****es under the parent plants. Have repotted them too. Media is still the same ie. sphagnum moss but I use sand as its topping. They are still in my grow chamber. So humidity should be still high.

One more question Cosmo. Do primulifloras do better if they are grown one in a pot as compared to 3 in one? At the moment I've repotted them 3 plants in a pot.
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« Reply #12 on Nov 13, 2007, 1:07am »
No problem David.

Primuliflora's, as well as most Pings and indeed most plants, do tend to do better in individual pots because there is no competition from neighbouring plants. But as long as you space your Pings out in the pot, there is no reason why you shouldnt be able to grow several in a community pot.

Personally, I would advise you agaisnt using sand; it will stagnate the Spaghnum underneath and will cause it to rot quicker, and if there is a lot of sand the weight may compact the Spaghnum and reduce the air pockets around the roots. The sand will also encourage moulds and other unpleasant things to appear, which will take root on it, especially if the environment is stagnant.







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« Reply #13 on Nov 13, 2007, 1:07pm »
Ok, thanks for the advise Cosmo
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« Reply #14 on Jan 2, 2008, 11:52pm »
so David, how's your primuliflora?
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« Reply #15 on Jan 17, 2008, 1:56pm »
Hi Athene,

heh, heh, just saw your question today. I repotted the ****es into 2 pots of 3 plants each. Spread them out away from each other as much as possible.

After about 2 weeks or so, the plants in one of the pots start to show the same symptoms of the parent plant like the pictures above.

I got fedup and place that pot at the wash area window of my apartment. Thought of letting it fend for itself since my papering does not do any good. The conditions are like this...
- No sun, only strong light in the afternoon.
- sometimes the media dry out a little.
- they catch a lot of insects.
- night temperatures is much cooler.
- use unfiltered tap water to water them instead of RO water.
- no talking to them and praising them

After more than a week, guess what! The plant is more healthy than the other pot in my grow chamber. Anybody got any theories? I'm confused.

My theory is maybe the cooler nights plays a very important role for it to thrive. Just a guess. « Last Edit: Jan 17, 2008, 1:59pm by David »Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedMy Wantlist tarence
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« Reply #16 on Jan 17, 2008, 3:59pm »
i think it should be the no talking or praising them part which helped. esp the talking.

chortle chortle.

My guess is the drier media which makes it more rot resistant.
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« Reply #17 on Jan 17, 2008, 8:14pm »
Increased ventilation, my friend?
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« Reply #18 on Jan 17, 2008, 10:35pm »
Ok, here's some pictures to show you the difference between the two pots. They were all about the same size when I first repotted them.

See the difference now...
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The one in my grow chamber is even yellowish in colour. Quite sad looking.

Close up of the one that is dump outside with no care. Only watering with chorine water from the tap. Notice all the gnat flies trapped on its leaves...
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« Reply #19 on Jan 17, 2008, 11:54pm »
I think this batch of primuliflora is entering teenhood, they prefer to be left alone - turning brown is their way of slamming the door to our face

mine pulled the very same stunt, I gave the ignore treatment + stopped all 'allowance' (no tray watering + reduced sunlight) Now it just finished flowering for me

What to say, teens these days!

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« Reply #20 on Jan 18, 2008, 8:37am »
I guess they need their space and privacy and they think being seen with daddy is an ambarressing thing. Why must it be like this? All I did was just to show my love and care. Perhaps they need to do some soul searching and find their own path in life by themselves. They need to discover who they are. Ok, I understand. Will let things be for now. I just hope they know I love them and they can always talk to me if they need any advise...
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« Reply #21 on Jan 18, 2008, 8:50am »
If you love them, let them go.....if they love you, they will come back.....*smile*

But seriously, i think it is the drier media. MIne are outdoors getting the full lashings of the environment & they are fine. But it is different environment laa.
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« Reply #22 on Jan 18, 2008, 1:59pm »
what a bunch of mixed nuts we are!

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« Reply #23 on Jan 18, 2008, 2:22pm »
the straight-jacket ? yeah, been there, done that. heheh.
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« Reply #24 on Feb 2, 2008, 7:38am »
I had a similar poblem with my Pings. The leaves started to brown off. I also used LFS. I tried a few different things like moving them around to different light levels and different moisture levels to no avail. I have now repoted them into a 50:50 sand peat mix and they are now coming back stronger than ever. I think the moisture from the Sphagnum may have been causing the problems.
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« Reply #25 on Feb 3, 2008, 4:32pm »
So, this comfirms that they need more air circulation and not too high humidity with no air movement.