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« Thread Started on Mar 20, 2007, 11:03am » Well I got a n. miranda, small and sunburnt haha. Here's a pic :

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Ok well i'm pretty sure it's a miranda... I've never been any good at recognising plant differences. So now i'm keeping it in bright shade, no direct sunlight. I've hung it outside, i don't know what the humidity is out there... Think it's okay? It's hanging about a meter over my flytraps which are all sitting in water. I could always put a bucket of water under it~ « Last Edit: Mar 20, 2007, 11:34am by zakhren »Link to Post - Back to Top 219.95.134.110 David
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« Reply #1 on Mar 20, 2007, 4:46pm » It does look sunburn huh. I hope it is not rust spot fungus. can you show a closer shot of the leaves and pitchers?
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« Reply #2 on Mar 20, 2007, 5:11pm » Hmm it looks like sunburn to me too, but im not that confident. This is because if it is sunburnt, it should only be one part of the plant that will turn brown and look burnt, which is the part of the plant that receives the direct sunlight. However, this plant looks brown from every angle.. « Last Edit: Mar 21, 2007, 9:15pm by artificialive »Link to Post - Back to Top 60.52.175.33[Naj Grow List] --- [Naj Wanted List] zakhren
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« Reply #3 on Mar 20, 2007, 8:56pm » Well The whole plant was getting full sun at the nursery I was at. Alot of the plants under the sun looked like this. Pics i'll post soon tonight.

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What does the fungus look like? If it is that fungus how do I fix it? Will spraying fungicide do? I hope it's just normal sunburn...

Oh and I think it's growing in peat moss now, I'm planning to repot it after a month after it gets used to it's new environment, what would be the best medium to transplant it into? Peat moss or sphagnum moss? And how much perlite if any? « Last Edit: Mar 20, 2007, 9:38pm by zakhren »Link to Post - Back to Top 218.208.244.87 David
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« Reply #4 on Mar 21, 2007, 9:25am » Usually neps get rust spot fungus when they are placed under direct sun and rain. It just look like spots of rust on the leaves.

Just a suggestion, I think it is better to repot now and let the plant acclimatise once rather than twice in 1-2 months. Neps do not like changes in their environment, so better to do it all at once now and after that leave it alone.

I use to use just sphagnum moss in the past. I later found this to be too wet and there is not enough air for the roots. So now I use 2 part perlite and 1 part sphagnum moss now. Sometimes I add some peat moss in it. Different growers will have their own prefered mix and no one mix is best. It depends on your growing environment, how often you water them, etc.

I think if you are using peat moss, you've got to mix with more perlite or similar materials to provide air to the roots as peat is very compact.
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« Reply #5 on Mar 21, 2007, 10:57am » I used 2:1 perlite : peat for my nep, sometimes with some sphagnum moss added. I agreed with David that you repot now rather later to stress the plant once again.
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« Reply #6 on Mar 21, 2007, 11:01am » Thanks. Well the leaves don't look like they have spots. How do I treat rust spot just in case? I'll go repot now hehe. I think into a 2 perlite/1 peat moss with sphagnum moss topping. « Last Edit: Mar 21, 2007, 11:03am by zakhren »Link to Post - Back to Top 218.208.207.193 zakhren
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« Reply #7 on Mar 21, 2007, 12:44pm » Ok well at the last minute I decided to go for a 1:1:1 peat/perlite/sphagnum mix with a 1 inch sphagnum topping~ The humidity is quite high recently, raining heavily every night, hopefully it'll help it get used to it's new environment. Cloudy days though not good for my flytraps haha.
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« Reply #8 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:24pm »
Quote:How do I treat rust spot just in case?

Just buy the normal fungicide from the nursery. I go for those that are powdered. You'll have to mix it with water and spray on the leaves. It will be unsightly at first as the whole plant will have white powder spots on it once the water dries up. Don wash it away. Leave it there for a few days.

The thing is the fungus might be killed but their rust spots will still remain on the old leaves. If you manage to kill off teh fungus, the new leaves will be green and clean. So you'll have to wait for some time before the whole plant is nice and green.

However, I found it difficult to manage rust spot fungus when my plants are put outside under sun and rain. The best is to give it dappled sunlight (50%-70% sun) and covered from the rain.
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« Reply #9 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:31pm » Ah thanks. Yeah my miranda is underneath a roof but at the edge. it doesnt get any rain just light or sprays while it rains, and it get direct sunlight only really early morning for about half an hour to an hour. But it's so early and it isn't very intense light. « Last Edit: Mar 21, 2007, 1:33pm by zakhren »Link to Post - Back to Top 218.208.207.193 artificialive
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« Reply #10 on Mar 21, 2007, 9:12pm » Zak, i think the position is good. I hang my miranda there too. Its a very vigorous grower, so dont worry. It will recover in no time

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due to the period where i go back to my hometown for about 1 week for semester break, nobody water my neps including the miranda. Sadly, all the pitchers dried up, turned brown and look ugly. But fortunately, no neps plant died. I just think that neps can absorb water from their pitchers when the media is dried up.
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« Reply #11 on Mar 22, 2007, 5:32pm » Ok well here's a picture of that new leaf opened. It just opened up today. Any sign of rust spot or is it supposed to be that colour? I expect this new leaf was somewhat exposed to full sun too before I got it.
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« Reply #12 on Mar 22, 2007, 6:43pm » As for my plant, new leaves also look like yours.. So i think its normal. Its very slightly brownish, and glazed..
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« Reply #13 on Mar 22, 2007, 10:24pm »
Quote:As for my plant, new leaves also look like yours.. So i think its normal. Its very slightly brownish, and glazed..

New N. miranda leaves has that slightly brownish glaze look to it. When the leaves grow older, they turn more greenish.


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« Reply #14 on Mar 22, 2007, 10:25pm »
Quote:Ok well here's a picture of that new leaf opened. It just opened up today. Any sign of rust spot or is it supposed to be that colour? I expect this new leaf was somewhat exposed to full sun too before I got it.


You can be quite sure now that the brownish leaves was sunburn. If it was fungus this new leave whold have it too... So now you can sleep in peace.
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« Reply #15 on Mar 22, 2007, 10:50pm » Haha good~ No worry about getting rid of fungus. I wonder if this leaf will pitcher. So far the end is just a brown lumpish thing i'm sure you know what i'm talking about haha.
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« Reply #16 on Mar 22, 2007, 11:04pm » Dark brown or light brown? If dark brown, it is burnt and will not blow up into a pitcher.
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« Reply #17 on Mar 22, 2007, 11:07pm » It's still light brown. I take it thats a good sign It would be my first pitcher grown under my care hehe
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« Reply #18 on Mar 22, 2007, 11:12pm » You know what you can do. Document it. Take a picture now. Then as it grows each day, take pictures of its' progress. When I get a camera of my own I'm gonna do that.
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« Reply #19 on Mar 22, 2007, 11:18pm » Good idea! Since I'm a bit free now I'll go take a pic. I hope it's ok... Well you can tell me when you see it.

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« Reply #20 on Mar 22, 2007, 11:26pm »
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« Reply #21 on Mar 22, 2007, 11:39pm » This image is reduced by 13%, click it to view full size.


There we go. It look ok?
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« Reply #22 on Mar 23, 2007, 12:01am » Zak, it looks perfect nothing to worry..
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« Reply #23 on Mar 23, 2007, 12:34am » Yay! Haha. My first pitcher~ It's quite exciting really. I'd like to take a pic of it everyday in the same position and lighting but i'm thinking that'll be a bit hard.
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« Reply #24 on Mar 25, 2007, 10:01pm » Well I decided to take a picture every 2 days because it seems like there isn't much difference everyday. Today I noticed it curved quite a bit overnight.

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« Reply #25 on Mar 26, 2007, 8:55am » Keep it up Zak. It would be interesting to see its progress. Cool.
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« Reply #26 on Mar 27, 2007, 12:22am » Something odd I noticed this morning... The leaf that is pitchering has curled. Is this normal? Or is something up? Pic :
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« Reply #27 on Mar 27, 2007, 9:14am » It looks normal to me. Perhaps it is because the leave is trying to face the sunlight as I can see light coming from the right of the picture.
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« Reply #28 on Mar 28, 2007, 12:42am » Day 5 :
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Really not much change but it's turned more to the cam. As seen in my last post where you can see the whole leaf. « Last Edit: Mar 28, 2007, 12:44am by zakhren »Link to Post - Back to Top 219.94.60.152 3sgjeffery
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« Reply #29 on Mar 28, 2007, 4:33pm » Why your Miranda leave is red??
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« Reply #30 on Mar 28, 2007, 9:34pm » That's sunburn. The shop that had it was keeping it in direct sunlight.
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« Reply #31 on Mar 29, 2007, 9:13am » Zak, try to spray water on the pitcher bud every now and then. Perhaps that will help speed up the process of the developing pitcher. It just seem to curl up huh.
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« Reply #32 on Mar 29, 2007, 10:35am » I do spray it once or twice a day. Well looking at the other pitchers, they do grow to the side of the leaf so the curve is normal. The curl of the leaf I dunno, it's not curling anymore and seems to be doing fine. The next leaf growing is also doing fine.
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« Reply #33 on Apr 1, 2007, 12:52am » Day 9 (sorry forgot to take pics):
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Not much change again but the leaf is much lower now and the vine for the pitcher is longer and has turned even more to the cam. « Last Edit: Apr 1, 2007, 12:54am by zakhren »Link to Post - Back to Top 219.95.44.192 3sgjeffery
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« Reply #34 on Apr 1, 2007, 9:44pm » If the pitcher is brown and no further growing sign meaning....
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« Reply #35 on Apr 1, 2007, 9:52pm » Well the pitchers that failed to grow the end turned black. So i'm hoping this will pitcher.
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« Reply #36 on Apr 16, 2007, 1:49am » Ok! Long time no update The pitcher is doing fine~ It hasn't changed much except for turning and getting lower, but I checked it closer today and it looked much bigger than I remember it :

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I think it's double the size it was in the last pic I took. And it's opened up much more. I can actually see the elements of the pitcher now.

And as a whole the plant is doing fine. Another new leaf coming up and a tiny one also there:

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« Reply #37 on Apr 16, 2007, 12:21pm » Pics posted~
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« Reply #38 on Apr 16, 2007, 8:07pm » Awww Im proud of ya Zakky haha

Good going, now try to get it to produce upper pitchers
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« Reply #39 on Apr 16, 2007, 8:22pm » How do I get it to grow upper pitchers?
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« Reply #40 on Apr 16, 2007, 8:46pm » Let it climb really high and dont cut it back. And make sure you keep up the humidity, as they are reluctant to pticher if humidity is to low, especially for upper pitchers.
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« Reply #41 on Apr 22, 2007, 10:19pm » Took this pic yesterday:

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It's fattening out and the spines are starting to form. « Last Edit: Apr 22, 2007, 10:22pm by zakhren »Link to Post - Back to Top 219.95.131.12 zakhren
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« Reply #42 on Apr 27, 2007, 2:43am » New pic coming, but photobucket just doesn't load at night time...

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As you can see, it's starting to colour up and has gotten bigger. Plus the spines have come out fully. Still hasn't started opening the lid yet though. « Last Edit: Apr 28, 2007, 7:14pm by zakhren »Link to Post - Back to Top 218.111.30.171 zakhren
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« Reply #43 on May 4, 2007, 3:42am » These were taken yesterday:

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It's opening!
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« Reply #45 on May 4, 2007, 11:50am » Haha on the day it opened there was already a bug floating around inside. The other pitcher I think has caught at least 10 insects so far. Some pretty big.
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« Reply #46 on May 4, 2007, 12:07pm » I always wish the pitcher will open as late as possible coz I seem to notice that the pitcher seem to stop growing once it opens. Is it true for you guys? So everytime the plant shoot a new pitcher I will be thinking "don't open yet, don't open yet, grow somemore grow somemore".
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« Reply #47 on May 4, 2007, 12:16pm » Haha really? Well can't change when it decides to open so I just enjoy the process. Pitchers will reach their maximum size with ideal growing conditions and age. Can't do much about it
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« Reply #48 on May 4, 2007, 3:12pm » I think what fishingman says is true. That's what I noticed about my developing pitchers too. Once they open the lid, they stop growing any bigger.

Maybe what you can do is to cheat the pitcher. I have not tried this but maybe you can test it out and see what happens. Get a clear plastic bag and wrap around the developing pitcher. Spray water in the plastic bag before you close it up. That way it's super humid around the pitcher. Who knows this might encourage bigger pitchers. Don't seal the plastic tight tho'. Leave a little gap so that when the sun shines on it, the temperatures will not cook the developing pitcher inside the plastic bag. « Last Edit: May 4, 2007, 3:14pm by David »Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedMy Wantlist 3sgjeffery
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« Reply #49 on May 4, 2007, 4:01pm » thats interesting! i will try
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« Reply #50 on May 4, 2007, 9:38pm » Hmm good idea. I'll try that with my next pitcher.
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« Reply #51 on May 18, 2007, 5:20pm » And here's the final pic taken a few days ago:

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The peristome wraped back and hardened, along with colouring up.

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