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N. boschiana
« Thread Started on Nov 26, 2007, 11:54am » This image is reduced by 9%, click it to view full size.

Anyone else grows this warm grower?

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #1 on Nov 26, 2007, 1:49pm » I do, but mine is still small and the picthers are just 1/3 of your pitcher above. What I like about this fella is the dark red-purpurlish-maroon speckle on it pitchers.
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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #2 on Dec 1, 2007, 12:49pm » I just bought a cutting of a female. It originally came from Wistuba as a cutting (his first offering of the species), so the plant is realllly old. I'll post some pics when I get it
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« Reply #3 on Dec 2, 2007, 2:02pm » I believe the Wistuba female clone is sterile.

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #4 on Dec 3, 2007, 6:56am » Disappointing. The more I talk with growers though, the more I think that boschiana has a very short window of when it is receptive to pollen. Either that, or the pollen must be collected from the donor at something like hourly or bi-hourly intervals over the course of a couple days, then used.
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« Reply #5 on Dec 5, 2007, 3:23am » I have quite a few pods developing on a female N. boschiana. Whether or not they contain fertile seed is another matter, of course.
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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #6 on Dec 5, 2007, 8:36am » Hi there kpg. Welcome to our little forum. Perhaps you could introduce yourself in the "Introduction" section so that members can get to know you. Also, just a reminder, please type in your location under your profile so that members have an idea of where you are from. Thanks.

By the way, can you post a picture of the seed pods of your female N. boschiana? Is it been crossed with boschiana or something else? I'm curious becasue mine is still so small and I want to know how this plant looks like when it's bigger or how their flower/seed pods look like. Thanks.
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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #7 on Dec 5, 2007, 10:22am » Hi everyone!
Here's mine from last night:
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I love N. boschiana!

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #8 on Dec 5, 2007, 10:22am » Hi David,

I have attempted to pollinate it with two different boschianas, N. jacquelinae, N. spatulata and N. xPisacho. (The plant has two spikes that have flowered)

I'll try to post a photo later.

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #9 on Dec 5, 2007, 1:53pm » Someday pure seed grown N. boschiana will replace these mirror image clones. And like N. spectabilis, maxima, veitchii, ampullaria, rafflesiana, mirabilis, truncata, thorelii, ...show its true energy in being diverse and unique.

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #10 on Dec 5, 2007, 2:21pm » Nice boschiana you have there. Love the dark colors. Hmmm... how come my bosch's peristome is not as wide? Here's a picture of my tiny "pet"...



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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #11 on Dec 5, 2007, 8:00pm » so elegent the plant is!


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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #12 on Dec 7, 2007, 1:47pm » David,
That appears to resemble MT's clone of boschiana. The peristome appears later when the plant starts developing fatter and broader leaves. Their clone is female and so far have been somewhat infertile.

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #13 on Dec 8, 2007, 8:12am » Thanks for the explaination Mike. And you're right. It's a MT clone. WOW! just by looking at the pitcher you were able to tell where it is from.
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« Reply #14 on Dec 8, 2007, 9:54am » David,
Without going into the gory details of tc clones, there are other tc faults that are also inherent in every single tc clone. These details stand out pretty distinctly. Seed grown originals on the other hand are more difficult to discern.

These do grow somewhat well in warmer conditions, but the fertility of these are questionable. If they had tc'd a large population of these and tc'd them on a lower level, perhaps we might be successful in getting more fertile plants of BOTH sexes instead of just the ONE.

I understand that this sounds very redundant and you've heard it many times before. Oddly, this habit of just making a SINGLE clone persists today.

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #15 on Dec 8, 2007, 10:33pm » Hi,

I am also having a few N.boschiana from MT. I have a male and female plant. The male flowered earlier this year and I have crossed them with N.veitchii (Lowland) from MT also (seed pod already developing - don't know whether they are fertile or not because the seed pod are very long and small) and now I have a female plant flowering, hope to cross them with N.sanguinea (bright red) from Genting Highland.

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #16 on Dec 9, 2007, 7:31am » Hi Fauzi,

Do keep us updated on the seeds.
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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #17 on Dec 9, 2007, 8:35am » Well I just got my boschiana in today. No pitchers unfortunately.


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« Reply #18 on Dec 9, 2007, 12:39pm » That boschiana is definitely not the MT clone, petioles are too long. This is the Wistuba clone which is questionable as being pure. The BE clone again has different leaves and petiole attachment. I find it very disappointing when you can discern clones of a particular species based on some species flaws inherent in the plant. MORE seed grown stock will correct these issues. but until that day, we can just dream of owning one.

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #19 on Dec 9, 2007, 1:30pm » I know someone here in town that has multiple struck cuttings of both males and females. He has been trying to make species seed for a long time, but they never flower at the same time. Every time someone has a boschiana in flower, it seems no one has the opposite gender in flower at the same time.
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« Reply #20 on Dec 10, 2007, 3:43am » Oh LORDY, if the original growers of nepenthes made and kept true seeds and at least dispersed some of these seedlings to reputable breeders, growers of nepenthes, we wouldn't be in this dilemma with tc single clones. Hence my constant ranting-ravings of seed vs. tc clones.
We have a good representative group of N. sp. Viking (even with nematodes) in many collections and will be here o stay for a long time. N. boschiana is not especially rare in the wild, yet with just a single clone here and there, it will always remain so. The cultural requirements for boschiana isn't difficult to grow, in fact I find it easier to grow than many closely related species. One day who ever does make a cross of this between pure species will make these more readily available across the globe than the few tc plants offered today.
This is such a beautiful species, it would be a shame to have it only as a tc clone.

I bet variations on these are as basic as the variations of N. rafflesiana we see so much of.

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #21 on Dec 10, 2007, 11:44am »
single clone? do you mean that MT and BE clones are the same?. Please explain

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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #22 on Dec 10, 2007, 12:16pm » I don't think my plant is a clone. I think it was either seed raised or maybe even possibly wild collected. It was originally sold by Wistuba as cuttings (pre his clones), and apparently he only had very few for sale.
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Re: N. boschiana
« Reply #23 on Dec 10, 2007, 5:37pm »
Oops! so much for the TC wimpy clone theory
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