N Miranda and N Oisoensis??????????

[kentosaurs]

Hi everybody

Well i put the thread here just hoping to get at least a little attention as well its kinda a useless thread but i was strolling through my book the other day and i saw a lowland nep hybrid name N oisoensis which is said that the parentage of that hybrid is N mixta x maxima......So as well a lot of people believe or think that N miranda's parentage is N mixta x maxima could they actually be wrong???? Or maybe miranda is just a form of N mixta as some might believe? I'm not sure if they are even the same plant as the book doesn't reveal much about and so does the net.I don't know why i'm just somehow so wanting to one day actually find out the parentage of N miranda which is so widespread yet hardly anybody knows the parentage. Any comments? As i say i have been wrong a couple of times so could N miranda just be maxima x mixta as i might have mix up? Cos a different cross like that may make the plant look different.Anyways will like to hear a little on it.

Ken

[plantlover]

Or maybe it has 2 names??? Are you referring to the Savage Garden?? BTW the book was printed in 1998 so maybe there's some changes etc??

[kentosaurs]

Hi Aaron

And yes that book............2 Names?????????? Well that is definitly possible since a couple of plants do get the same name..Yeah its a old book like you said anything can change sooo let me see anybody can confirm or say that N miranda has 2 names?

Ken

[kentosaurs]

Hi everyone

Just a quote from sunbelle for the thread i opened..........

The exact parentage of Miranda is proprietary info. The originator of the cross does not want to reveal it. We can only guess based upon the types of plants that would have been available to the hybridizer. There is very good reason to believe that N. maxima was the pod parent. It is the habit of this particular breeder to use the name of the female parent as part of the new hybrid's name. When Miranda first came on the market, it was wholesaled as N. maxima Miranda. It is obviously not a pure maxima. The pollen parent (father) was either N. Mixta or N. northiana. N. Mixta 'Superba' is common enough in European collections and is a male, so it would be a very likely candidate as the father of Miranda. There are also some blooming size northiana in Europe, so one cannot rule out the possibility that Miranda is a reciprocal cross of Mixta.
N. Oisoensis is a Japanese hybrid made years before Miranda. The clone we've seen around for years is a female.
Hope this answers a few questions

So according to him that well maybe the cross could be a mixta var superba or northiana but i doubt its a northiana.......I guess its more like a mixta var superba because if its just the normal mixta then the cross will not be miranda but N oisoensis....So for now i'm just guessing its mixta var superba x maxima....Well we'll never know anyhow unless the person who made the hybrid decides to reveal it/

Ken

[edwardyeeks]

It could be possible that miranda has been crossed a lot of times with maxima, therefore resulting in the plant that we have now. Since there isn't much difference, I expect that the parents involved in this whole hybridization is maxima, northiana and perhaps more maxima.

Cheers

[kentosaurs]

Well edward i don't really see more maxima in it.......Although i do realise on my plant when it was smaller it use to produce and "teeth" at the end of the lid like most maxima's have that long appendage but after awhile as pitchers grew bigger abd mature they dissapear.It still does have the slightly northianas look in it like the leaves and stuff......

Ken