HAZE 2008

[Khoas]

What is of concern is the time line present only a few years ago is out of date. Things which were said to occur in 20 years time are occuring now. Personally I worry about the Anartice (Bad spelling) Ice shelf, if that melts we all will be swimming. Then again frozen Drosera species might appear.
Other thing is the potential collaspe of the Gulf stream due to changes in salenity. If this happen gobal warming will become gobal freezing.

[Marigoldsfail21]

Yeah I saw the movie 'The Day After Tommorrow'. I think the truth is that we really don't know what will happen. There are just too many variables. I guess all we can do is to try to limit our effect on the ecosystem and expect anything.

[bactrus]

Woe Woe Woe to all mankind. Suggest we wisen our energy consumption, maybe we can still make a difference.

[Khoas]

Watch a story on 60 minutes last night. While the predications are dire, there was some interesting facts. One fact is that it was warmer by 2 to 3 degrees in the middle age (around year 1000 ) before the mini ice age occur around the 17th and 18th century.
The other couple of facts is that it is the average world temperature has not increased since 2001 in spite a 5% increase in CO2 in the same period. Another fact is a predited 'hot spot' on the equator is not there.
What does this means? maybe CO2 is not main reason for gobal warming. While the story didn't go into possible other reasons, here few I can think off. Solar output has increased slightly, methane and other greenhouse gas have more influnce than previous thought. On more local scale, the covering the ground by concrete and removal of vegetation will increase average temperature.

[bactrus]

Originally Posted by Khoas

... On more local scale, the covering the ground by concrete and removal of vegetation will increase average temperature.

Will definately lower ground water level. Bottom line, just reduce consumption. Think before acting. Am evaluating whether to install a solar system on my new place. Wonder how much energy is needed to product a panel and whether one will have energy surplus at the end of the panel's life.

On a lighter note, stop eating beans = less farting = less methane and suffocation!!!

[Marigoldsfail21]

Haha It's good that our thoughts about the environment don't always have to be so negative.

Originally Posted by bactrus

On a lighter note, stop eating beans = less farting = less methane and suffocation!!!

Or, even better, we could just grow more plants (more oxygen for our brains to use thinking about nepenthes)