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« Reply #40 on Jul 2, 2007, 1:22pm »
Mine did, so did Ts punya...even mukaketupat`s ( Ezrena ) ......bujangteruna also.....who else did David give seeds to ? Wilson ? Strange yah yg x germinate....

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« Reply #41 on Jul 2, 2007, 1:49pm »
That's the irony of it! I give out seeds and most of them germinated for the recipients. But none germinated for me. Sad laaa... Tried all kinds of ways but no success. By the way, I post somewhere last week that one of the byblis seed germinated for me. Well it turned out it's a weed and not a byblis plant... Feel like someone just slapped me silly here! « Last Edit: Jul 2, 2007, 1:49pm by David »Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedMy Wantlist tarence
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« Reply #42 on Jul 2, 2007, 2:12pm »
Use magnifying glass lah David to identify the seedlings. I do. Coz when they are small, it`s pretty difficult. Mine already has branches....but still small.

The d.intermedia & d.burmanii seeds I got from you also sprouted...Unfortunately I put them in the same pot so I can`t tell the diff yet...got many many lil` ones though. Up to now, still microscopic.
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« Reply #43 on Jul 2, 2007, 2:17pm »
I had a magnifying glass with me leh. So far only one burmanii seed germinated for me out of the hundreds I sowed. The intermedia, nothing! Another sad case. Another slap on the other side of my cheek.
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« Reply #44 on Jul 17, 2007, 3:14pm »

Dear all....

Hi everyone... here i have something to share in germination of Byblis seeds....

I've found a way to germinate Byblis seeds in 3 days.... ( For me that is... )

1) Fresh Byblis seeds ( From David )
2) mix 10% of bleach in 100% of water ( i tough it was 1% bleach - 100% water at first until david says it was not ) soak the seeds in the mixture untill it turns white ( it takes about 6 hour for me )
3) sprinkle the seeds on the media and put on water tray water level reach the top part of media and put it under full sun....
4) check on it after 3 days to see did it germinate.... you sould see some tiny roots...

Ok guys and gals for me in 10 days i have some 3-5mm plantlet....

Take care and good luck everyone...

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« Reply #45 on Jul 17, 2007, 3:16pm »
Thanks Jonathan for sharing your experience with us. Really appreciate it. I am waiting for the new seed pods to ripen so I can try this out on the seeds. But I must say to you again that 3 days germination is record breaking. It is an achievement you can be proud of.

Hopefully some seeds will germinate for me with your method. Thanks for the baby plantlets too.
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« Reply #46 on Jul 17, 2007, 3:22pm »

Hi David....

You are most welcome my friend...... now is my turn to thank you for all the beautiful plants that you have gave me and those seeds too... i'm very very very sorry david that i have killed the little green amps
that you gave me this sunday...... i have killed my first nep...... dunno why just everything goes wrong nowdays....

lastly thank you david for all the support and encouragement while i'm in trouble and for all those great advice.....

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« Reply #47 on Jul 17, 2007, 4:15pm »
What happened to the green ampullaria? How did it died? ... It's ok lah. Don worry about it.

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« Reply #48 on Jul 17, 2007, 6:09pm »


I also dunno what happen.... thanks for everything david....

I won't give up.... but also don't wanna be a neps killer.... hehe...

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« Reply #49 on Jul 17, 2007, 9:23pm »
Ive had no germination either, I just cant seem to germinate any Byblis seed at all
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« Reply #50 on Jul 17, 2007, 9:52pm »
Don't give up yet cosmo. The mother plant that I have now are from seeds I've bought from an online nursery. It took about 3 months if I remember correctly before it germinated. And that also 3 out of 100 over seeds.

Let us all try the tactic used by Jonathan and report back to this thread on the progress.
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« Reply #51 on Jul 18, 2007, 1:10am »

Hi cosmo....

Don't worried... keep trying... one day you will see those wonder in nature to surprise you with lot's of baby Byblis... i can't describe how happy i was that day when i see those beautiful baby Byblis.... i get around 70% germination..... god blessed me with a bunch of baby... hehe....

David the second batch of seeds have been killed by those green thing that grow..... algae ...
hate those disgusting green slime................................... from now on only use good quality mosses...... hehe... but i still have 3 Byblis..... in no time i'll build up a Byblis forest.... dreaming of it..........

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« Reply #52 on Aug 9, 2007, 10:14am »
My Byblis liniflora at 13 days, can you see it ?

thanx David for the seeds

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« Reply #53 on Aug 9, 2007, 2:19pm »
I read through the posts and a few questions popped up.

What media did you all sow your seeds on?

Do you think media made a difference?

How fresh is fresh i.e. did everyone sow about the same time since the seeds came from David?

And how were the seeds stored for some of you who sowed them later? Fridge? Room temperature? A hot place?


Does it matter how the seeds are formed? That is, how David tease the flower.

And do it matter when seeds are being collected? When the capsule splits or before the capsule splits?

I manually pollinate the flowers and get about 40+ seeds per fruit. But out of hundreds of seeds so far only about 15 germinated. Fortunately, this species flower all the time and seeds are easy to collect.

Somehow, there is a trigger for seed germination even for liniflora and even overseas growers are baffled how the same batch of seeds can have very different germination rates with different growers.

I have tried the 10% chlorine and 100% water method but the germination rate is still low. But that is only with one batch of seeds.

There was one seed that germinated in my Nep pot and as far as I can remember, I didn't even sow it there. It must have fallen in from the pot of Byblis several months before. So nowadays, I kind of recycle my Byblis pots 'cos there might be seeds that will germinate somewhere down the line.




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« Reply #54 on Aug 9, 2007, 6:57pm »
I sow my seeds in various media just to test out. ie. choped up sphagnum moss, peat moss, peat moss + perlite. So far not enough germination to text out which media is best.

By the way, tried Jonathan's method with bleach. It germintaed it a week for me. 7 plantlets out of about 20 seeds. Before this, zero germination for me.

Nope, don think so everyone sow their seeds the same time. Most probably a few days to a week difference.

I store the seeds in the fridge before sending it out.

I manually take two flowers and rub their anthlers together. There's about 40 -50 seeds in each pod.

I usually collect the seeds on the day the seed pod crack open.


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« Reply #55 on Aug 9, 2007, 10:41pm »
here`s mine.....it`s very very old ( 3 months, heheh ) but small coz i did not give it enuff sun...so at nearly 3 inches high how, it`s already flowering....stunted byblis.

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« Reply #56 on Aug 10, 2007, 12:23am »
Thanks, David for replying to some of my questions. I have given away all my seeds but I will try Jonathan's method again the next time.

By the way, did you try it on freshly collected seeds or the ones stored in the fridge? And how long approximately were they stored there?
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« Reply #57 on Aug 10, 2007, 12:58am »

Dear everyone...

I found the bleach method also works with other drosera's seeds... i get 20 germination out of 20 D. Intermedia seeds in a week... the rest that i sow just like that withour the bleach treatment actually have 2 germination in 3 weeks.... i would say that this method will give you a higher germination rate but for me so far from D.Intermedia i get 100% of germination...

Take good care everyone and happy planting...

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« Reply #58 on Aug 10, 2007, 9:09am »

Quote:By the way, did you try it on freshly collected seeds or the ones stored in the fridge? And how long approximately were they stored there?

With the bleach, I've only tried with freshly collected seeds. Before I started to use bleach, I tried all kinds of ways, Kept them in the firdge for a week, 2 weeks and 1 month. Also tried startification on them. Tried sowing them immediately after I collected them form the seed pod, tried leaving them in the open seed pod for a week before harvesting them and sowing them, etc, etc... headache... none work.

Only those seeds I send out to forum members germinated. Without bleach, some of the seeds germinated for some people. So this means for byblis to germinate we need to send it via snail mail... haa, haa, just kidding.

Don know laa, maybe after removing them from the fridge, we should keep it outside for a few days before sowing them as that is about the time the post office takes to deliver to forum members. Seem to have some germination.

I've ran out of ideas, but using bleach seems to be more reliable.
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« Reply #59 on Aug 10, 2007, 9:47am »
This is my 1st time germinate CP, can I share my method?

In my case, I straight away sow them to blended S. moss.

So far (days 14), 1 or 5 seed germinated.


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« Reply #60 on Aug 10, 2007, 9:53am »

Quote:So this means for byblis to germinate we need to send it via snail mail... haa, haa, just kidding.

Don know laa, maybe after removing them from the fridge, we should keep it outside for a few days before sowing them as that is about the time the post office takes to deliver to forum members. Seem to have some germination

David, it is not a joke. Some Byblis growers overseas actually leave their seeds outside at room temperature for a few weeks before sowing. Some guy left his packet out accidentally and they germinated very well for him.

But if the bleach works better or at least consistently, just do it.
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« Reply #61 on Aug 13, 2007, 2:06pm »

Quote:This is my 1st time germinate CP, can I share my method?

In my case, I straight away sow them to blended S. moss.

So far (days 14), 1 or 5 seed germinated.




Today is day 17 since I sow the seed. The plant is producing 3 stem. Can I remove the plastic? The things that I scare is rain... Can Byblis liniflora expose to rain?

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« Reply #62 on Aug 13, 2007, 4:40pm »
I think if you want to remove the plastic cover, do it gradually so that the plantlets can acclimatise to the lower hunidity.

Better shade them from the rain. They're too small to take a droplet of water about 5 times their size splashing on top of them. Might breack their fragile thin stems.

Even for my adult plant, I do not water from the top. Once I took it to the bathroom to give it a shower. It produces alot of dews and all the leaves stuck together. The whole plant fell flat on the media. I thought I killed it. Lucky didn't die. Then I thought the leaves would naturally release themselves from beihg stuck together. Did not happen. I had to pry open each leave. Those that were allowed to dry out was quite difficult to separate.

So better not let it get rain laa.
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« Reply #63 on Aug 13, 2007, 10:33pm »
Casey : i leave my tiny small stem one in the open with a small loose plastic cover on top, so that the byblis would get fresh air and sunshine. don`t make the same mistake as me in keeping the byblis away from direct sunlite for too long coz it`ll be stunted. Mine is flowering at 3 " coz it`s an old plant despite the size.....happy growing.
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« Reply #64 on Aug 13, 2007, 11:22pm »
Thanx for imformation. I think im going to DIY a plastic cover that made by taufufa mug, with some hole at side of it... to protect my lovely plant from rain.

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« Reply #65 on Aug 14, 2007, 11:12am »
hi guys

i got my liniflora seeds from david. and how its quite besar already and flowering. the thing is, mine is scrambling all over. it grows upwards but to the sides. very weird. and im thinking of repotting because the pot seems too small for it. has anyone ever done this? sorry no photo but will post that up soon.


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« Reply #66 on Aug 14, 2007, 1:37pm »
Ezrena : the roots quite delicate. David has repotted his with the attitude `die die lah` coz his pot was too cramped for the 3 byblis. his was a success story. try to re-pot with minimal or no root disturbance at all. i repotted my tiny one without any problems at all.
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« Reply #67 on Aug 14, 2007, 2:11pm »
Ezrena, it is normal for byblis to tilt sideways. As they grow larger they will fall on the ground. In the wild they rest on other plants and scramble on the ground. My plant looks upwards because I made a support for the stem from straws. Even so, it is too high now for the suppoert and it has bent over. So it is normal.

I use a sharp scissors to cut the pot from top to bottom and tear open the plastic. From there I lift the potting media and plant from the pot without disturbing the roots and media. Then I just place it in a bigger pot and fill up the gaps with more potting media.

Make sure the stem don't bend over. It is very thin and tend to do this. I thought I killed mine when it fell on the media after I moved it. But lucky it's still alive. The stems seems very soft and flexible, but don bet on it. Just be careful. « Last Edit: Aug 14, 2007, 2:14pm by David »Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedMy Wantlist cindy
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« Reply #68 on Aug 14, 2007, 7:07pm »
I've repotted only seedlings. In fact, I am quite in the habit of repotting them because I sow all the seeds into one pot. When one seed germinates, I'll remove it. Errmm...I think the tallest I've repotted is about an inch.

Young adults? Don't try unless you are just removing the whole chuck of media and putting it into a larger pot like David described.

I've brought a Byblis plant for display at the Singapore Garden Festival last year. It was pretty long and was flopping over. I made a loop with the lower part of the stem, bury it under sphagnum moss and ta-da! it stood vertical.
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« Reply #69 on Aug 15, 2007, 9:23am »
What I do is similar to Cindy. When the plants are small, I place them in a pot with the media only up to 2/3 of the pot. As the plant gets bigger, the side of the pots actually help support the plant. Later on I just add more media until the brim of the pot when the plant gets taller.
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« Reply #70 on Aug 15, 2007, 9:26am »
Perhaps now when it gets even taller, I'll use Cindy's suggestion. Make a loop on the stem and cover it with potting media.

Actually come to think about it, their vines are quite flexible huh and it does not kill the plant even when it is bend suddenly. Cool.
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« Reply #71 on Aug 15, 2007, 9:34am »
they have in-built gymnast genes....
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« Reply #72 on Aug 15, 2007, 1:35pm »
from your description... not gymnasts genes la.... more like yoga people person...
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« Reply #73 on Aug 17, 2007, 12:34pm »
wow. thanks guys. david, i will try your method!
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« Reply #74 on Aug 29, 2007, 6:08pm »
I am finally allowing the plants to flower!










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« Reply #75 on Aug 29, 2007, 6:20pm »
Just lovely Cindy...just curious, why weren`t they allowed to flower before this ?
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« Reply #76 on Aug 29, 2007, 8:32pm »
I have got this theory that they should only be allowing to flower when they are old enough so that the quality of seeds is good. I do that with all my sundews except D. burmannii which pops up everywhere.
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« Reply #77 on Aug 30, 2007, 9:24am »
Cindy, what media are you using for your byblis? Looks kinda whitish and I can't really see clearly on the picture. Is that perlite?

You are right about the seeds. I allow my plants to flower when they are very young but I realised the seed pods are really tiny and seeds are tiny too. Don't seem to me that they will germinate. Some seedd pods do not have seeds at all too. But when the plants get bigger, the seeds seems to be stronger. « Last Edit: Aug 30, 2007, 9:26am by David »Link to Post - Back to Top LoggedMy Wantlist tarence
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« Reply #78 on Aug 30, 2007, 9:56am »
Alas, i waited until my binata was about 5 inches before I allowed it to flower. The flower stalk grew up to max height about 7 inches, started to develop flower buds...then dried up ! aiya ! the plant itself seems to be a little affected by the effort in producing the pre-buds but otherwise fine. Was so looking forward to see the flowers itself.
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« Reply #79 on Aug 30, 2007, 11:07am »
David, the best seeds are inbetween. The ones in the beginning are not so good...towards the end too. Btw, that's fine sand.

Tarence, D. binata does not form seeds on its own. You need to use pollen from another form. Flowering tires the plant so after one time and plenty of photos later, I cut all flower buds.

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« Reply #80 on Aug 30, 2007, 11:40am »
Yep, aware of that...was trying to either use pollen from my burmanii, spats, byblis, capensis etc etc which are currently flowering non-stop. was a bit scared of the results tho. imagine binata x capensis or worse, burmanii ? Brrrr.....like u, i wanted to see it once, take photo, then never again. i took the risk as i had baby binatas germinating already....my aim for all droseras is to at least see them flower once. *smile*