Wild Ampullaria - Red Lip

[Wong]

Some pictures to share.

[sooxiwei]

wow, interesting, you are so lucky and fortunate to be at the spot to see it real and the bigger picture of it's habitat, looking at the environment of the amps, I wonder if we could use decompose or semi-decompose leaves litter as the medium for n. amp in captivity

[David]

Noticed that the darker colored ones are in more shade?

[marvin1997]

Wow nice cute apples!Yea I agree with david...

[NepNut]

Hi Wong, nice pics but I think it's technically not solid "red" or "maroon" lip if you compare this to the Bornean varieties. The pink reddish coloration will only last when it's newly open and stayed in very shaded condition. If it develop and exposed to light, it'll usually turn to brownish as it aged.

[Aliamyz]

Originally Posted by NepNut

Hi Wong, nice pics but I think it's technically not solid "red" or "maroon" lip if you compare this to the Bornean varieties. The pink reddish coloration will only last when it's newly open and stayed in very shaded condition. If it develop and exposed to light, it'll usually turn to brownish as it aged.

This is what i'm gonna say

[Wong]

David,
Good observation. Most of the lower pitchers were in shaded area. The picture no 6 (label as RLS3) get more sun light because it was located a little higher then those basals.

Nepnut,
Sorry to disappoint you. I think picture 6 should be dark maroon because I found a xTrichocarpa with maroon lip and speckle near this plant. Remember this picture?

It inherit the speckle from the Amp so I assumed that the maroon lip is also inherit from the Amp as well. Don't give up hope so soon mah. I never have experience growing this amp yet so I don't know what it will be. Whatever will be.. will be..

I've seen brown lip N Mirabilis and all of the pitcher comes with brown lips or green lip. No sign of pink or red lip.

So I think the brown lip may be a totally different variant.
The Kuchingensis I posted last time also same, only brown lip pitchers. Remember this picture?

Anyway, I may be wrong too. Just wishing and hoping too much..

[NepNut]

Thanks for the detailed explaination. No doubt you have found something special.

Originally Posted by Wong

Don't give up hope so soon mah.

Haha... I never give up hope, it just that finding the red peristome amp or red amp is very very hard and remote now when more and more forest are clear away everyday as I speak.

Originally Posted by Wong

Anyway, I may be wrong too. Just wishing and hoping too much..

I understand the feeling Wong... I was pretty excited when I came across what I though would be the red lip N. ampullaria in southern Thailand.... but upon further observations and investigation, I realized that the pink reddish coloration are affected by environmental factor such as intensity of light and not genetic related (red or maroon in normal light level) . Here's the 2 pics I posted before for comparison....

Pink reddish pitcher retain the coloration IF the pitchers were buried under leaves litter... I have to clear away the dry leaves to see the basal pitchers.


The same vareity of N. ampullaria with pitchers develop exposed (not covered). You can clearly see the peristome is dark brown colour.


These N. ampullaria were found growing under bamboo forest, if you been to one of these forest, you'll know how heavily shaded it'll be. The light level it's like dusk when you're in these forest even it's in the middle of the day...


I have also came across reddish N. x trichocarpa basals developed away from sunlight... very attractive but further observations on the exposed pitcher reveal that it'll became regular spotted green pitcher as well.

[Wong]

Nepnut,

After reading your post, I almost lost steam liao.

However, I will still try to find something interesting here.

There must be some Amp variant unique to Peninsular Malaysia one.

[NepNut]

Originally Posted by Wong

Nepnut,

After reading your post, I almost lost steam liao.

However, I will still try to find something interesting here.

There must be some Amp variant unique to Peninsular Malaysia one.

Hi Wong,
Yes... that's the spirit . I'm not trying to discourage you. IMHO, it's very important to present the correct fact as best as we could when we're trying to share information and findings. We're after all, just wanted to learn... the more the better.

I'm sure there'll be something special out there but have to do spend a lot of time and a lot of leg work... I think it's worth it though.... no pain no gain mar...