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« Thread Started on Aug 1, 2007, 2:18pm » Was just looking at some neps found in Kinabalu and saw the N. Edwardsiana. Fuyoh dem nice-lah.... saliva all dripping everywhere-lah. Anywhere can get ah? Hehehe
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« Reply #1 on Aug 1, 2007, 2:41pm » N. edwardsiana is my dream plant - one that i can only grow in my dreams!

all this is hearsay but i think N. edwardsiana is not yet in cultivation other than in US, where a nursery has N. edwardsiana in TC. but otherwise, there's no way (not legally, at least) that we can get our hands on a N. edwardsiana anytime soon.
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« Reply #2 on Aug 1, 2007, 4:06pm »
Quote:Was just looking at some neps found in Kinabalu and saw the N. Edwardsiana. Fuyoh dem nice-lah.... saliva all dripping everywhere-lah. Anywhere can get ah? Hehehe

where did you see-browse through the inetrnet or seen in the Kinabalu Park? There is one such plant in the park grown near the entrance to orchid garden but i'm not so sure if it was still there.
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« Reply #3 on Aug 2, 2007, 12:48pm » Yeoh,

You are not the only one to go gaga over edwardsiana. Collectors over the world have wanted this species for years. There are a few growers with this plant but noone wants to own up as legally the plant is not suppose to exist outside tghe Kinabalu NP. Early this year it was said BE managed to grow some seedlings and they really hand-reared the plants. They dip fine hairs into "fertilizer/growing solution" and feed the little pitchers. If they are on-sale they will cost thousands of dollars .... US dollars. Even if they managed to tc them, I think the early batches will still cost you hundreds of dollars.

Unless you have a cold, very cold highland chamber, forget this plant.

It is better to ink-jet the edwardsiana image, laminate it and put it amongst your other cp plants.

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« Reply #4 on Aug 2, 2007, 7:03pm » Hi Robert,
Did you have the picture of N. edwardsiana?
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« Reply #5 on Aug 2, 2007, 9:35pm » It was very windy and all the pics taken that morning were blur. Maybe we should plan a trip to Mt.Tambuyukon to see the real plant.

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« Reply #6 on Aug 3, 2007, 12:05pm » Robert,

I wish I can go but have high expenses. Have a college attending daughter to support.

For some edwardsiana photos, check out the website:
Nepenthes of Sabah owned by Tham Yau Kong

http://www.thamyaukong.com/Nepenthes/index.html

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« Reply #7 on Aug 3, 2007, 12:25pm » Hey Choong, you know thi guy Tham? Nice pictures he has on his site. WOnder if he also cultivates neps.
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« Reply #8 on Aug 3, 2007, 1:13pm » No lah David. But no harm writing to enquire.

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« Reply #9 on Aug 4, 2007, 11:27am » There were two seed collections of N. edwardsiana wild stock and one set of seed made from plants in collections. This collection will be possible to take further seed origin stock from it so many seed grown plants will eventually be possible.
Drawbacks:
1. Seed is slow to germinate and while six months may seem long, some of the seeds do not pass the green embryo stage until sometimes years later.
2. Plantlets require cold temperatures. The adults seem a bit less demanding but cold for seedlings to develop is necessary.
3. This species is rare not just because of rarity, but this species has been difficult to propagate through tc methods. If you grew ten seeds for seed origin material on dirt and ten in vitro, the chances of the invitro surviving will be less than what the soil sewn method will produce. So from many attempts, these have almost always been seed germinated in the tray method.
4. There are several clones of this species in private collections. It is not known that if they have flowered or any attempt in matching pollen to female plants are known. So a female may have bloomed in a collection, let's say Japan and unless a male is in bloom (probably in Japan) there won't be a matching performed. No one would advertise that they have N. edwardsiana pollen for breeding, available.
5. Even if you grew this plant for sale by seed or tc, the authorities would question your source of the seeds/tc stock so this alone would never get this plant onto a catalog. So it will always remain a word of mouth availability.

The seedlings of N. edwardsiana is beautiful some of its first pitchers appear blood-orange red in color. But these are very slow and can only grow in a chill box with diurnal temperatures as seedlings.
There are some clones at MT and I believe in collections in Japan and China. Germany has many there because the rules of conduct for CITES are not regularly recognized there and people can grow what they can get, and you can get a lot of "black market" stuff there. Hey do you want a twelve foot Adenium socotranum, its available there!

My suggestions for growing this plant is to leave it to persons who can accomodate its specific demanding nature. There are many seed origin clones in the hands of private collectors and over time, we should see some progress for plants coming to age for flowering. And I am very happy to say that this species does not respond to tc methods and sed grown will bring this plant into commonplace with the multitude of male and female unrelated plants out there.

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